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Sardaukar20

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This is truly an escalation since India is right now ruled by Right wing nationalists who put a heavy emphasis on religion (Hindu).

Personally,I am on the fence regarding this.
The BJP hindutvas would burn down mosques to build Hindu temples. I think this is smart. In any case, a missile site is too small to truly damage that lake. And it gives the hindutvas a difficult decision of striking that missile site.
 

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Assuming the intention is not to go loud and instead keep pushing, there are still tricks that one can do to get the advantage.

I recall back in the days of Sino-Soviet border conflict initially PLA kept losing to Soviet border troops in hand to hand combat because well, Russians are really tall and fit, particularly compared to PLA troops of 1969. To turn the situation around the government seeked out martial arts experts and organized them into adhoc PLA units. From then on the Soviet keep losing in scuffles until they lost patience and went loud.

If the intention is to keep the border conflict at a sustained low intensity level such tactics could be employed again. Not that I don't have confidence in hand to hand combat skill of PLA, but if we're going to fight like its 202AD you gotta polish up your reading of Romance of Three Kingdoms again and employ some stratagems from antiquity.
 

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Since Global Times is the mouthpiece of the CCP, the tone of this article indicates that China is rapidly losing patience with India. If it is true that India started a firefight, China and India are now in a defacto state of war.
Actually People's Daily is the official mouthpiece of the CPC. The Global Times has always been known to be extremely provacative. If I recall, right before the 1962 war, the People's Daily released two editorials bascially signalling that India and China were going to war. If the People's Daily starts to say this kind of stuff, then that you know China really does not have any more patience.
 

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Since Global Times is the mouthpiece of the CCP, the tone of this article indicates that China is rapidly losing patience with India. If it is true that India started a firefight, China and India are now in a defacto state of war.

There's also the unexplored possibility that the CCP is taking advantage of Indian messages and just attempting at grabbing some victim status. Since the CCP has unilaterally settled the matter to its favour already, the Indians may just be making noise to defeat opposition pressure for accountability and the pressure from their own people to take back the disputed lands.
 

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The BJP hindutvas would burn down mosques to build Hindu temples. I think this is smart. In any case, a missile site is too small to truly damage that lake. And it gives the hindutvas a difficult decision of striking that missile site.
I don't support that. China could've done things a bit differently. By militarizing a religiously important site China is providing ammunition to those who bash it. It also creates friction with the larger diaspora of Hindus and Buddhists who may be not negative to China.

The news hasn't been picked up and that's a good thing.

(just my two cents.)
Assuming the intention is not to go loud and instead keep pushing, there are still tricks that one can do to get the advantage.

I recall back in the days of Sino-Soviet border conflict initially PLA kept losing to Soviet border troops in hand to hand combat because well, Russians are really tall and fit, particularly compared to PLA troops of 1969. To turn the situation around the government seeked out martial arts experts and organized them into adhoc PLA units. From then on the Soviet keep losing in scuffles until they lost patience and went loud.

If the intention is to keep the border conflict at a sustained low intensity level such tactics could be employed again. Not that I don't have confidence in hand to hand combat skill of PLA, but if we're going to fight like its 202AD you gotta polish up your reading of Romance of Three Kingdoms again and employ some stratagems from antiquity.
I've full confidence in the melee ability of PLA. Prosperous countries tend to have healthier soldiers. China is relatively prosperous compared to India.

But why do you assume that the fight won't go beyond melee. Tbh, India will try to avoid the incidents that happened months ago and will try to engage in fire.

I've no doubt that the scope for a strictly melee skirmish has become non existent.
 

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But why do you assume that the fight won't go beyond melee. Tbh, India will try to avoid the incidents that happened months ago and will try to engage in fire.

I've no doubt that the scope for a strictly melee skirmish has become non existent.

It's of course possible, but it has not yet happened. Have to keep all options open. If the border conflict goes hot I'm quite confident in PLAAF and PLARF getting the upper hand very quickly. But if it can be kept to hand to hand combat then dragging it out would be a big advantage to China.
 

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The push of India to Reqin seems to have come from the Indian post at Magar Hills. (? Needs some verification.)

Also to be noted is that Indian movements are twofold.

1. The activity at Thakung Base
2. The push into Reqin from Magar Hills(?)

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I don't support that. China could've done things a bit differently. By militarizing a religiously important site China is providing ammunition to those who bash it. It also creates friction with the larger diaspora of Hindus and Buddhists who may be not negative to China.

The news hasn't been picked up and that's a good thing.

That's because you use FLG news as your source. FYI, most of the alpine lakes and high mountains in Tibetan region are considered sacred by the Tibetans. Does that mean China must not have any military facilities nearby is view of the religious sensibility?
 

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I don't support that. China could've done things a bit differently. By militarizing a religiously important site China is providing ammunition to those who bash it. It also creates friction with the larger diaspora of Hindus and Buddhists who may be not negative to China.

The news hasn't been picked up and that's a good thing.

(just my two cents.)
The CCP is atheistic. So I don't think they would be too sensitive about these sacred places. Especially places that are ambiguously sacred to foreigners. I just think that in the cold logic of war, any advantage, both militarily and psychological should be exploited. China is not going to get any more popular by 'respecting' the hindutvas.

In any case, this missile site news is likely fake FLG propaganda. So our debates are mostly theoretical.
 

Sardaukar20

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Actually People's Daily is the official mouthpiece of the CPC. The Global Times has always been known to be extremely provacative. If I recall, right before the 1962 war, the People's Daily released two editorials bascially signalling that India and China were going to war. If the People's Daily starts to say this kind of stuff, then that you know China really does not have any more patience.
Well the People's Daily reposted that Global Times article.

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Does this make that the official position of the CCP?
 
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