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What's the 3 generations of IR since Rafale? The OSF on the Indian Rafales is supposed to be circa 2012 technology; i.e, it's roughly comparable to the IR technology on the OSF.
So they upgraded the IR scanner, which is probably why the claims of 50 km have been replaced by 100 km.
Also, @Brumby ,
The importance of 11G is that most maneuvering fighters, barring the Rafale and Su-57, are officially 9G aircraft, with limits to their instantaneous turn rate. The 9G vs 11G difference means that it's a lot more challenging for a missile to hit them, even if you can only dodge one or two missiles, because the AAMs are typically designed for 9G opponents. I could potentially see a case where a J-20 is stuck ripple-firing 4 PL-15s to take out one Rafale.
The importance of 11G is that most maneuvering fighters, barring the Rafale and Su-57, are officially 9G aircraft, with limits to their instantaneous turn rate. The 9G vs 11G difference means that it's a lot more challenging for a missile to hit them, even if you can only dodge one or two missiles, because the AAMs are typically designed for 9G opponents. I could potentially see a case where a J-20 is stuck ripple-firing 4 PL-15s to take out one Rafale.
Looks like the Indians are figuring out what the situation is.
TBH, I think China is likely prepared to Vietnamize all of their neighbors at this point. The Indians, at the end of August, will be announcing Q2 (Q1 in Indian financial calendars) GDP. If the numbers are bad enough, they'll likely realize they can't compete against a Chinese military build-up at this rate. This is why the Chinese are stalling.
US Q2 GDP comes out at the end of July. High estimates are 15% GDP loss (annualized), and low estimates are 35% GDP loss (annualized).
.... he politely told you to stop for a reason. Nothing you are saying is even in the ballpark of being relevant. You don't out turn Fox Threes, you either defeat their dopplers by flying perpendicular to their flightpath, or you dive aggressively and hit your burners, because you can recover kinetic energy, while they can't. And there are still too many other variables with Fox Threes, like ECM/ECCM/AESA seekers/Chaff etc. all of which are much more important than how many G's you can pull.
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plawolf
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Sigh, the reason almost all fighters are limited to 9Gs has less to do with the engineering of the plane and far more to do with the limits of the human body.
Almost nobody bothers to make their planes more than 9G because it’s unsafe to go beyond that.
To further compound the irrelevance of going beyond 9G, the basics of flight means unless it’s a desperate last millisecond hellmerry, doing a 11G instantaneous manoeuvre is going to add zero percentage to your chances of evading an AAM. Indeed, it may well significantly diminish your chances to evade the missile.
Modern BVRAAMs typically can easily pull 30-60+Gs, which means it’s not a matter of you dodging them Hollywood style, but more a battle of attribution to cause the missile to run out of fuel and energy before it can catch you.
In that context, sustained turns is king. Pulling extreme Gs for a brief few seconds will do little to waste the incoming missile’s energy but will most likely bleed off significant amounts of your own energy instead.
Trying to pull more than 9Gs for more than a few seconds it’s just asking to G-lock and hand your opponent an easy manoeuvring kill as your unconscious body rides your uncontrolled plane all the way into the ground.
Besides, all of this dodging missiles nonsense completely misses the main point anyways.
Most modern BVRAAM kills were achieved against oblivious targets who didn’t even know they were being shot at. And all of that happened in the age of RWR but before LPI AESA radars and AAM seekers.
There is a very good chance a Rafale won’t even know that a J20 has taken a shot at it until it’s MAWS light up or until it blows up.
Almost nobody bothers to make their planes more than 9G because it’s unsafe to go beyond that.
To further compound the irrelevance of going beyond 9G, the basics of flight means unless it’s a desperate last millisecond hellmerry, doing a 11G instantaneous manoeuvre is going to add zero percentage to your chances of evading an AAM. Indeed, it may well significantly diminish your chances to evade the missile.
Modern BVRAAMs typically can easily pull 30-60+Gs, which means it’s not a matter of you dodging them Hollywood style, but more a battle of attribution to cause the missile to run out of fuel and energy before it can catch you.
In that context, sustained turns is king. Pulling extreme Gs for a brief few seconds will do little to waste the incoming missile’s energy but will most likely bleed off significant amounts of your own energy instead.
Trying to pull more than 9Gs for more than a few seconds it’s just asking to G-lock and hand your opponent an easy manoeuvring kill as your unconscious body rides your uncontrolled plane all the way into the ground.
Besides, all of this dodging missiles nonsense completely misses the main point anyways.
Most modern BVRAAM kills were achieved against oblivious targets who didn’t even know they were being shot at. And all of that happened in the age of RWR but before LPI AESA radars and AAM seekers.
There is a very good chance a Rafale won’t even know that a J20 has taken a shot at it until it’s MAWS light up or until it blows up.
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Brumby
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It's meant to be confusing. Deliberately vague and obscure. Just like US uyghur, FLG, WMD and other claims.
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