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“This sort of development would have been a land warfare planner’s nightmare, but it offers India a unique advantage now, in the form of a target-rich environment for the Indian Air Force, the same air force that has, in the course of the last few years, replaced the army as the primary response to serious cross border threats,” according to Iyer-Mitra.

A lot of these kinds of AQ statements in the article from the Indians and authors while recognizing the new reality on the ground now.

It seems that China has comprehensively thought through its strategy in dealing with Indian aggression and salami-slicing and has built out infrastructure and logistics, brought in new armament and deployment. Doklam was a wake-up call, followed by the far worse Galawan Valley incident. Clearly, piecemeal reactions were out, replaced with more permanent front-line presence backed-up by more rapid and stronger reinforcements in the rear.
 
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As for the claim that "India army soldiers are (not) allowed to keep long hair" and hence he must be an actor - Sikh minority are allowed to wear full beard and keep long hair (under a turban) by the rules of the Indian armed forces. In fact, in the first picture, you can see another Sikh behind the person circled with his turban still on and a full beard.

This guy didn't even know his own country's military dress code and yet wanted to claim that China used actors to create those pictures.

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Lol I just read the wiki sources.

So TASS admits their information came from an Indian source... most likely affiliated with BJP government to reduce their humiliation... what humiliation you ask?

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and so on and so on. How come despite claiming to have captured Chinese soldiers, India refuses to "confirm" lol. Why not provide a single photo or video of June fight not of the attack on the lone PLA officer in March 2020 who was ambushed by Indians.

The Klaxon is a one man operation based in Australia. The website spews mountains of biased and politically charged narratives. Very fair and unbiased... his research on this? No sources, no disclosed information or citations and research methodology. Just rumours he alleges are from China but somehow fails to provide a single screenshot. Nice "evidence".

The biggest Indian flop of them all... alleged "US Intelligence". One would think this means Pentagon papers or CIA disclosed papers or something ... even American politicians addressing media or a statement but no, the three listed sources are "US News" with the below gem.

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No American of repute has claimed this. No American paper has stated this. No white house briefing, no politician making a claim or statement.

Second "US intelligence" source is even less effort from the Indians. This one not even pretending to be American and simply coming from "The Hindu" claiming the below.

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Riiiiiight. Again same shit applies. And why not any statements? Why don't these US mystery men embarrass China by debunking China's statement of losing 4 PLA soldiers during this? Why no photos, videos, or satellite footage of the brawl which they must have used right? lol Or did the Americans have drones in the air spectating or did they have troops on the ground with binoculars keeping tally? Why? Because any person with a reputation will not stake their reputation on Indian made up bullshit. That's why. Find me a single US politician saying this. A single US official document mentioning 30 to 40 PLA killed. Why not challenge China on this claim then? Why not provide a single photo or video? China provided evidence that India finally admitted was real after ignoring it in humiliating silence.

God Indians really are pathetic and so desperate. NY Times also quote Indians.

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So many dozens of Indians were subdued and captured even with their weapons that it took days and many trucks to return them.


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That's at least 7 INSAS rifles just in this batch visible. 7 x 20 is well over 100... the number PLA leakers say were of Indian captives. In other videos and photos showing two sides meeting there are barely a single INSAS rifle per 20 Indian soldiers.
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The Indian commentary on these is aimed at the Indian populace and doesn't need to stand up to independent scrutiny. If they can throw enough ambiguity on the situation it will dampen the impact of such heavy losses of the conflict.

The original aim from authorities was to deescalate, and viewed from that prism Indians believing these pictures are faked fits that. I think it's the wrong strategy when dealing with Indians long term, but it seems to have worked for now.

What I'm curious about is whether these pictures were leaked deliberately or not. My impression is that they weren't. I'm sure the PLA are sitting on some really damning stuff, like videos of Indian officers being interogated. All this talk about Pakistani/African actors and hair cuts would be silenced if they were leaked. Hence why I think the leaks weren't sanctioned.
 
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The Indian commentary on these is aimed at the Indian populace and doesn't need to stand up to independent scrutiny. If they can throw enough ambiguity on the situation it will dampen the impact of such heavy losses of the conflict.

The original aim from authorities was to deescalate, and viewed from that prism Indians believing these pictures are faked fits that. I think it's the wrong strategy when dealing with Indians long term, but it seems to have worked for now.

What I'm curious about is whether these pictures were leaked deliberately or not. My impression is that they weren't. I'm sure the PLA are sitting on some really damning stuff, like videos of Indian officers being interogated. All this talk about Pakistani/African actors and hair cuts would be silenced if they were leaked. Hence why I think the leaks weren't sanctioned.
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It was abundantly clear the Indian gov was doing all that if not just supporting it as damage control to limit the humiliation for the BJP/Modi. Encouraging Indians in believing those lies without a shred of evidence (correction they tried to fabricate "evidence" of capturing PLA by editing a video so that it shows a grainy footage of someone injured).

Indeed it is all for fooling bhakts and bhakts are fueled by Hindu pride.

Meanwhile China revealed actual photos and videos showing Indian captives and was respectful enough not to comment on Indian losses. Meanwhile India used nefarious, cheap and petty ways to try and comment on "masses of PLA losses" using laughable means. Of course those who hate China would suck up all that crap with rigor because it soothes the ego, helps them confirm their bias of "weak China" and so on. Meanwhile the ground reality is India got its ass kicked so hard, PLA foots came out the other end.


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China revealed and published literally a small fraction of collected evidence. India talks about "if we were able to see how well we won, Indians would be proud" lol... The Indian ministers are worse than Hitler but westerners ignore it or don't know about it. The aggression from India is unprecedented.

After all it was Amit Shah who said he'd make India take over Aksai Chin and happy to pay with blood all the way back in 2019 a year before standoff started.

These days the Indian ministers have not dialed down vocalised intent for aggression. If it were China being that vocal about aggression it would be the only thing we'd hear about. The West simply doesn't care much for India because it is a piece of nothing in the grand scheme of things and threaten them in no way... in fact the West has managed to corrupt most of Indian politics and find means leverage against India in a way Western elites have not been able to with China. This is China's main issue with India. The fact that western corporations, politics, and organisations have so much influence over Indian politics the Indians honestly cannot be trusted to ever be neutral.
 
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“This sort of development would have been a land warfare planner’s nightmare, but it offers India a unique advantage now, in the form of a target-rich environment for the Indian Air Force, the same air force that has, in the course of the last few years, replaced the army as the primary response to serious cross border threats,” according to Iyer-Mitra.

A lot of these kinds of AQ statements in the article from the Indians and authors while recognizing the new reality on the ground now.

It seems that China has comprehensively thought through its strategy in dealing with Indian aggression and salami-slicing and has built out infrastructure and logistics, brought in new armament and deployment. Doklam was a wake-up call, followed by the far worse Galawan Valley incident. Clearly, piecemeal reactions were out, replaced with more permanent front-line presence backed-up by more rapid and stronger reinforcements in the rear.
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Two young Chinese video bloggers recently drove through Aksai Chin along the strategic National Highway 219 from Tibet to XinJiang. They were traveling a segment of about 500 km that has traditionally had no human habitats due to the barren and harsh conditions. This segment connects Tibet and XinJiang and passes through Aksai Chin. Chinese government has built two fuel stops there: 1) DaHongLiuTan (大红柳滩) and 2) SanShiLiYingDi (三十里营地). They drove the same route four years ago in 2017. Keep in mind Doklam Incident occurred in 2017.

Some of their impressions of changes over the last four years:
  • There are a lot more trucks vehicles and construction sites along the route compared to four years ago.
  • DaHongLiuTan (大红柳滩) is today where SanShiLiYingDi (三十里营地) was four years ago. Back then, it was basically a fuel-stop and got only one PetroChina gas tanker. Now DaHongLiuTan (大红柳滩) has 3-4 restaurants and 4-5 motels.
  • SanShiLiYingDi (三十里营地) is basically a small town today, much expanded compared to four years ago.
  • The distance between DaHongLiuTan (大红柳滩) and SanShiLiYingDi (三十里营地) is 120 km, about two hours drive.
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Logistic , logistic Building railway line along China India border is gargantuan task since the are is hilly and mountainous. But building railway from Kashgar to border of Xinjiang and Tibet is possible though not an easy Task. Nextmonth the new railway skirting Taklamakan dessert will officially open


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Hotan–Ruoqiang railway, coming soon in June 2022​

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