China doesn't even recognize an LAC in Arunachal. It only recognizes an international border with Assam(it's claim)
China also refused to exchange claims on AP/South Tibet for AC unless India recognizes Taeang and other border areas as Tibet.
Ladakh Flash Point
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China also refused to exchange claims on AP/South Tibet for AC unless India recognizes Taeang and other border areas as Tibet.
Seriously? Taunting for an absence of border clash in South Tibet in the Laksakh thread? Don't always go emotional and just post anything in the purpose of provoking the others.
India has no control at Doklam as well. Should we merge the 2017 thread into this one again?
You guys are fighting like kids comparing the stories told by your own parents, don't you guys feel ashamed at all?
Don't spam posting every 5 minutes in the forum. You are acting like an immature kid crying for attention.
Twineedle you can also think of it this way.
Pre 1950s dispute, both countries were in junior phase and this legacy dispute does not exist yet.
Out of the blue the British wanted to demarcate this iffy area that neither side previously held much control over but the Chinese considered it theirs. The nation of India doesn't exist and is about to get its independence from British India.
During this iffy time the Chinese considered what they claim in 1959 (offer) as administered under Tibet and this was a part of China's history where Tibet became a bit more autonomous due to China's civil war. So not only was this area around Ladakh not administered properly but even Tibet itself is wanting to get independent during this chaotic time.
India however was just born and this area was NOT a part of it. British invited Chinese leaders to participate in demarcating Ladakh and China considered it theirs (as part of Tibet) and so didn't even attend the meeting because they didn't want to dignify an invading power that they did not recognise, not even as representatives who should be participating in any talks as the new India.
India as a nation then makes the claim on all of Aksai Chin. China says we disagree and also responds with making a claim on a piece of land that both recognised previously as India's - AP dispute.
So throughout all this that was initiated by India side, India has managed to win 0% of Aksai Chin and it went from barely even tread on by China to be Chinese controlled for the last 60 years.
Pre 1950s dispute, both countries were in junior phase and this legacy dispute does not exist yet.
Out of the blue the British wanted to demarcate this iffy area that neither side previously held much control over but the Chinese considered it theirs. The nation of India doesn't exist and is about to get its independence from British India.
During this iffy time the Chinese considered what they claim in 1959 (offer) as administered under Tibet and this was a part of China's history where Tibet became a bit more autonomous due to China's civil war. So not only was this area around Ladakh not administered properly but even Tibet itself is wanting to get independent during this chaotic time.
India however was just born and this area was NOT a part of it. British invited Chinese leaders to participate in demarcating Ladakh and China considered it theirs (as part of Tibet) and so didn't even attend the meeting because they didn't want to dignify an invading power that they did not recognise, not even as representatives who should be participating in any talks as the new India.
India as a nation then makes the claim on all of Aksai Chin. China says we disagree and also responds with making a claim on a piece of land that both recognised previously as India's - AP dispute.
So throughout all this that was initiated by India side, India has managed to win 0% of Aksai Chin and it went from barely even tread on by China to be Chinese controlled for the last 60 years.
Yes, this thread is definitely an example of maturity and civilized discussion
He's desperately looking for any angle that makes india look "strong". Random lines of thinking presented like "China renames AP" ignoring the fact that China claimed AP as a counter claim to India's claim on AC. Renaming parts has no meaning on the fact that China pulled a claim out of its arse in response to India pulling a claim out of its arse.
China's AP claim was made just because India made a claim. The evidence is there. It was done after India's claim and logic dictates that this is the correct response to India making a claim - also pull a claim out of your arse otherwise these indus will just keep pulling claims out of their smelly arses.
The only reason India doesn't claim more of Tibet is because Tibet itself won't like that and because then China would make crazy claims on all of Assam and maybe up to chicken's neck - Siliguri corridor in response. And then pathetic bhakts will say "look since China hasn't captured all of Assam, that means we win" ... ignoring the fact that India has not captured any of Tibet in that case.
You asked the question how come China didn't capture its claimed land. The answer is because India was the first to make the claim. Isn't it up to India to capture the land it claimed? I mean this whole legacy dispute was set off by India being the first to make a claim isn't it? Disrupting the previous equilibrium prior to legacy dispute existing?
So your question shows your knowledge and maturity ie not much and intending to make it seem like China is weak and starving, totally dependent on others india is somehow tough and strong as your implications always tend to suggest.
Basically a more appropriate question to you which answers your question is why hasn't India captured the land it claims - Aksai Chin?? It started this mess by claiming Aksai Chin and in 2019, said it will capture it.
China would flatline India in hours if there is a war between the two.
Even when China captured forward positions in 2020, India did not have the balls to shoot despite being pushed back a step further and settled with negotiations and when it tried underhanded tactics to push China out of those forward positions. This happened to bullshit power India.
Where india's only response is indirect denial through Modi (Godi) media and making bollywood movies and presenting bollywood movie scenes as if they are real and then accusing China of doing exactly what India itself has done (when China's images are real as India's defeat that everyone else recognises as such).
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India recognized TAR as a part of China in exchange for China recognizing Sikkim as part of India
Another random factoid that aims to distract from the fact that India initiated this legacy dispute in 1950s by being the first to make the claim on Aksai Chin which it still fails to capture from China despite claiming it when China was having a civil war and the entire Tibet region was trying to secede from China (pre PRC).
If India makes moves to even capture the 20%, China showed it will respond. At the moment India control none of 20% (since all of it is under negotiation and a developing situation) and while China also doesn't control the 20%, it never did to begin with but China does control the 80% that India in 2019 said it will attack and capture "with blood".
Even with India having overwhelming numbers superiority in this region, it is almost continental Europe far away from central China (population centre), India does not dare fire a shot and only wants to wait for other powers to initiate any war. Coward india would only start shooting if USA declares war on China... and even if that happens, India would still lose badly.
If such a war were to happen e.g. if US and China go to war and India considers China is "distracted" with naval theatre, Pakistan would probably get involved if it is a "this is it scenario". It would have to fight in Kashmir as well if the Pakistanis open up the IOK front because India itself would also be "distracted".
Indians: China has not captured up to the forward territory they claim in legacy dispute, therefore we win.
Are you forgetting that while China hasn't captured 100% of the claim it put forth after India made a claim (hint China's claim is possibly further than what it is happy to settle with indicated by the constant offers to demarcate along more or less midway of 20%) China at least has captured and controlled 80% of the land that India claims which India initiated? lol nice way for coping bhakts to frame the situation because they're ignoring China's wins and the whole situation being instigated by India which they cannot deny since that is at least well established and bilaterally agreed history.
Indians: Well China claims AP and has captured none of its claims there.
Well have you forgotten that India captured none of its claims in AC? And China's AP claim was made after India initiated the legacy dispute? If India does manage to take anything in Ladakh side as firm control (like China does with Aksai Chin) and not under talks... then we'll see what China does with not only AP claims China pulled out of its arse in response to the reeking Indian AC claim, but maybe even the rest of the Assam area. You can bet if India manages to capture AC, then China will capture AP. India so far captured 0 (Z.E.R.O) of the claims that India made on AC and India said it would capture. Still Amit Shah's words are worth a gram of shit.
Are you forgetting that while China hasn't captured 100% of the claim it put forth after India made a claim (hint China's claim is possibly further than what it is happy to settle with indicated by the constant offers to demarcate along more or less midway of 20%) China at least has captured and controlled 80% of the land that India claims which India initiated? lol nice way for coping bhakts to frame the situation because they're ignoring China's wins and the whole situation being instigated by India which they cannot deny since that is at least well established and bilaterally agreed history.
Indians: Well China claims AP and has captured none of its claims there.
Well have you forgotten that India captured none of its claims in AC? And China's AP claim was made after India initiated the legacy dispute? If India does manage to take anything in Ladakh side as firm control (like China does with Aksai Chin) and not under talks... then we'll see what China does with not only AP claims China pulled out of its arse in response to the reeking Indian AC claim, but maybe even the rest of the Assam area. You can bet if India manages to capture AC, then China will capture AP. India so far captured 0 (Z.E.R.O) of the claims that India made on AC and India said it would capture. Still Amit Shah's words are worth a gram of shit.
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