KJ-600 carrierborne AEWC thread & possible KY-600 (?) COD aircraft

[AndrewJ]

I summarized what they said about this:
1. KJ-600 & J-35 has tested (including launch & land) in ground facilities for lots of times (likely hundreds of) in past years.
2. J-35 has launched & landed on Liaoning in a former trial, but KJ-600 has never done so on a moving carrier.
3. KJ-600 has done touch-and-take-off several times in 5th and 6th trial. You can see some tire tracks after 5th trial. Then more were added after 6th trial.
4. PLAN has plenty of experience for landing J-15 on carrier, and it's easy to apply it to J-35, bcz their kinematic features are similar. But KJ-600 is a lot different, with heavier weight, big panel above, and turboprop engines, etc. PLAN has no experience with landing that kind of planes on a moving carrier, and the landing situation on a moving object is very different from ground simulations. So pilots need many times touch-and-take-off to get familiar with the feeling. It's more difficult to land KJ-600 than to launch for pilots.
5. Maybe we'll see KJ-600 lands on Fujian in following 7th trial. If successful, the launch will be quickly followed.

The podcast was recorded in 16th Jan. After that, we can see the carrier was moved to dry dock for more integration tests & updates, preparing for the real land & launch. Landing KJ-600 is the bottleneck of all process. After this, other items are much easier and can be processed faster.
The public hasn't heard from Fujian for quite a period, so it's also a perfect opportunity to do this and release scenes before 23th April (Navy's birthday). Let's wait for good news.

 

[asif iqbal]

I summarized what they said about this:
1. KJ-600 & J-35 has tested (including launch & land) in ground facilities for lots of times (likely hundreds of) in past years.
2. J-35 has launched & landed on Liaoning in a former trial, but KJ-600 has never done so on a moving carrier.
3. KJ-600 has done touch-and-take-off several times in 5th and 6th trial. You can see some tire tracks after 5th trial. Then more were added after 6th trial.
4. PLAN has plenty of experience for landing J-15 on carrier, and it's easy to apply it to J-35, bcz their kinematic features are similar. But KJ-600 is a lot different, with heavier weight, big panel above, and turboprop engines, etc. PLAN has no experience with landing that kind of planes on a moving carrier, and the landing situation on a moving object is very different from ground simulations. So pilots need many times touch-and-take-off to get familiar with the feeling. It's more difficult to land KJ-600 than to launch for pilots.
5. Maybe we'll see KJ-600 lands on Fujian in following 7th trial. If successful, the launch will be quickly followed.

The podcast was recorded in 16th Jan. After that, we can see the carrier was moved to dry dock for more integration tests & updates, preparing for the real land & launch. Landing KJ-600 is the bottleneck of all process. After this, other items are much easier and can be processed faster.
The public hasn't heard from Fujian for quite a period, so it's also a perfect opportunity to do this and release scenes before 23th April (Navy's birthday). Let's wait for good news.

definitely for sure its like a launch and recovery of a space program

flying KJ-600 AWACS is hard enough with a dome above it imagine now landing it on a moving airport

this is why so few nations have managed this feat and accident rates have been so high with so many deaths

the fact that they have done touch and gos is also quite remarkable

in a way sometimes I think touch and go is harder than a launch

 

[Deino]

In the meantime, there are some indications that there should be a transporter based on the KJ-600, which is temporarily called KY-600:

 

[Jaym]

In the meantime, there are some indications that there should be a transporter based on the KJ-600, which is temporarily called KY-600:

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You think they could use such a craft for ariel refueling?

I know the US Navy was considering converting the c2 greyhound into some kind of ariel refueling platform sometime ago. The idea was eventually scraped.

 

[ACuriousPLAFan]

You think they could use such a craft for ariel refueling?

I know the US Navy was considering converting the c2 greyhound into some kind of ariel refueling platform sometime ago. The idea was eventually scraped.

They can, though it likely isn't worth it.

The C-2 tanker variant was scraped because the F/A-18s can buddy refuel. There's also the MQ-28 now - Both of which can fly much faster and more agile than the C-2.

TBH, compared to the transporter or even tanker variant, an ASW variant of the KJ-600 (perhaps can be named KQ-600?) would be much suited for the PLAN use. Would be a worthy addition to the future PLAN CV airwings as a S-3 Viking-counterpart.

 

[Jaym]

They can, though it likely isn't worth it.

The C-2 tanker variant was scraped because the F/A-18s can buddy refuel. There's also the MQ-28 now - Both of which can fly much faster and more agile than the C-2.

TBH, compared to the transporter or even tanker variant, an ASW variant of the KJ-600 (perhaps can be named KQ-600?) would be much suited for the PLAN use. Would be a worthy addition to the future PLAN CV airwings as a S-3 Viking-counterpart.

J15s would not be able to ariel refuel as well as a tanker variant of KJ600. And there is currently no MQ28 equivalent.

Though I do think an ASW variant would be of great use. I also think ariel refueling is super important otherwise why would US Navy create a MQ28?

 

[KevinG]

They can, though it likely isn't worth it.

The C-2 tanker variant was scraped because the F/A-18s can buddy refuel. There's also the MQ-28 now - Both of which can fly much faster and more agile than the C-2.

TBH, compared to the transporter or even tanker variant, an ASW variant of the KJ-600 (perhaps can be named KQ-600?) would be much suited for the PLAN use. Would be a worthy addition to the future PLAN CV airwings as a S-3 Viking-counterpart.

They can make the transporter work as tanker by adding the fueling accessories, like Y-20B and A330MRTT

 

[Iron Man]

J15s would not be able to ariel refuel as well as a tanker variant of KJ600. And there is currently no MQ28 equivalent.

Though I do think an ASW variant would be of great use. I also think ariel refueling is super important otherwise why would US Navy create a MQ28?

It's MQ-25, not MQ-28. I think it wouldn't be too hard to modify a GJ-11 for the naval aerial refueling role.

 

[Jaym]

It's MQ-25, not MQ-28. I think it wouldn't be too hard to modify a GJ-11 for the naval aerial refueling role.

My mistake. But i dont think GJ11 would be able to hold significant amount of fuel.

I believe that the the MQ25 has more MTOW than GJ11.

 

[Iron Man]

My mistake. But i dont think GJ11 would be able to hold significant amount of fuel.

I believe that the the MQ25 has more MTOW than GJ11.

I don't anyone knows what either MTOW is. The MQ-25 is longer but the GJ-11 is wider and is a flying wing design, so alot of internal volume.