JF-17 Thunder / FC-1 News, Discussion & Media

joshuatree said:

Yep, that's what I was wondering, if the price can be lowered with a domestic engine. It would also eliminate any licensing issues as well.

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yeah, I guess we are all hoping all the progress of WS-13. The thing is that with WS-10 coming into the picture at an earlier timeframe than WS-13, the engine on J-10 will be cheaper than the engine on JF-17. Other ways to lower the cost is with more orders I guess. The J-10 cost will also be lowered if CAC just produces J-10s and stop having to convert production lines between J-7/JF-17/J-10 in the middle of the year.

tphuang said:

yeah, I guess we are all hoping all the progress of WS-13. The thing is that with WS-10 coming into the picture at an earlier timeframe than WS-13, the engine on J-10 will be cheaper than the engine on JF-17. Other ways to lower the cost is with more orders I guess. The J-10 cost will also be lowered if CAC just produces J-10s and stop having to convert production lines between J-7/JF-17/J-10 in the middle of the year.

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Productions lines for the J-7 should stop. This would allow the funding of the J-7 to transfer to the production of JF-17 or J-10

Chengdu J-10 said:

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yeah, I guess we are all hoping all the progress of WS-13. The thing is that with WS-10 coming into the picture at an earlier timeframe than WS-13, the engine on J-10 will be cheaper than the engine on JF-17. Other ways to lower the cost is with more orders I guess. The J-10 cost will also be lowered if CAC just produces J-10s and stop having to convert production lines between J-7/JF-17/J-10 in the middle of the year.

Productions lines for the J-7 should stop. This would allow the funding of the J-7 to transfer to the production of JF-17 or J-10

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As long as China continues to sell F-7 variants to poor Asian and African countries, that production line would have to be open somewhere. Surprisingly, these countries still want F-7, JL-9 and K-8 due to their cheap cost and maintenance.

tphuang said:

As long as China continues to sell F-7 variants to poor Asian and African countries, that production line would have to be open somewhere. Surprisingly, these countries still want F-7, JL-9 and K-8 due to their cheap cost and maintenance.

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I mean to themselves the PLAAF.
Sorry for the mix up

I think that in the beginning at least, there might be two production lines manufacturing JF-17 / FC-1 for Pakistan. One in China,and a bit later, one in Pakistan. It would take a few years to satisfy PAF's requirements. During this period PLAAF could make up its mind about this aircraft. If nothing else a couple of squadrons / regiments might be furnished for PLAAF. I think that PLAAF would end up buying some of these aircraft, if it seriously intends to export it. If PLAAF does not believe in this aircraft, then how seriously would it be taken by other countries to whom China might wish to sell this aircraft?

If there are further export orders then the production of JF-17 / FC-1 might continue in China. I hope that this would lay to rest any apprehension about scarce resources being diverted from J10. By that time too WS-13 would make an appearance and drive the cost of JF-17 / FC-1 enough for PLAAF to have another look at it.

As the standard variant of a J-10 might be evolved to a Chengdu Super 10 wouldn't it be wise to be considering a double engine, double fin of JF-17/FC-1? What are your views on this? A second variant of a JF-17/FC-1 simular to the Super 10 project.

Chengdu J-10 said:

As the standard variant of a J-10 might be evolved to a Chengdu Super 10 wouldn't it be wise to be considering a double engine, double fin of JF-17/FC-1? What are your views on this? A second variant of a JF-17/FC-1 simular to the Super 10 project.

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There really is no purpose to this. PLAAF does not need another class of fighters. We have J-10 (a much superior platform) to improve upon. If you try to create second variant of JF-17, that would just divert attention from modified J-10. And it wouldn't have the funding of Pakistan that it has right now.

tphuang said:

There really is no purpose to this. PLAAF does not need another class of fighters. We have J-10 (a much superior platform) to improve upon. If you try to create second variant of JF-17, that would just divert attention from modified J-10. And it wouldn't have the funding of Pakistan that it has right now.

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But it would attract export customers, though pakistan probably wouldn't fund it but it wouldn't be a bad idea to have it in the back of there minds.

Chengdu J-10 said:

But it would attract export customers, though pakistan probably wouldn't fund it but it wouldn't be a bad idea to have it in the back of there minds.

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the point of creating a single engined fighter is that it would attract the traditional cheaper air forces. If you add an engine, that's increased cost + increased maintenance.

I thought I would post this link. Very interesting video. I hope I haven't overlooked this being posted somewhere.