JF-17 Thunder / FC-1 News, Discussion & Media

walter

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Re: JF-17: New Pics

xihaoli said:
I also do not know if its true, but does AESA have a shorter non-malfuntioning period then PDR due to the number of modules?

AESA radars continue to function nominally even if one or a few of the modules fail. It isn't as though if one module fails the whole radar goes down. Some AESAs, such as the APG-79 had reliability problems due to unstable code--had nothing to do with hardware in the case of the APG-79.

The battle tested and virtually perfected PDR radars can still content with basic AESA which is still in it's infancey. Sure Bars is no match for the Apg- 80, but Singapore and Malaysia considered it on par with the Apg-79 of the super hornets.

This is surely true when looking at parameters such as detection range, tracking, etc.--basically all the traditional radar specs. But what you fail to account for are the many revolutionary capabilties/potential upgrades that AESAs have vs. PDR or MSA:

1. Ability to operate simultaneously in different modes, for example air-air and sea tracking. In other radar systems pilots have always had to flip a switch to change modes and the radars can only operate in a single mode at any one instant in time. (current example is APG-79)

2. As already mentioned AESAs resistance to jamming

3. AESAs potential to function as a jammer itself. AESA radars can be programmed to tightly focus each modules emmisions into a beam which can be precisely aimed at targets to act as a jammer or directed energy weapon. It is possible to use this ability to scramble a target's electronics, effectively destroying it.

Whether or not all these capabilties (or potential capabitlites) are required for certain missions is another question, but it is hard to think of anything where an AESA doesn't simply outperform a PDR, when all other parameters are equal (like dish or array diameter).
 

DPRKUnderground

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Re: CCTV reveal xiaolong fighter's cockpit and chinese-made AVIONICS!

silverpike said:
more pics
[qimg]http://news.china.com/zh_cn/domestic/photo/11026066/20060227/images/13125571_20060227084117599100.jpg[/qimg]
two parkstian pilots now testing JF-17 at CAC in chengdu¬¬¬

LOL! It's funny to see the red star on a PAF helmet right next to the crescent and star. I mean communism goes against their religion. I know it's off topic but I just wanted to point that out. I'm not trying to say China is an evil communist hardline country.
 

silverpike

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Re: CCTV reveal xiaolong fighter's cockpit and chinese-made AVIONICS!

DPRKUnderground said:
LOL! It's funny to see the red star on a PAF helmet right next to the crescent and star. I mean communism goes against their religion. I know it's off topic but I just wanted to point that out. I'm not trying to say China is an evil communist hardline country.

red star is the badge of PLA, it has nothing to do with communism now...many forces in the world use star in their badges. the helmet in the picture is a chinese pilot helmet, since the parkstiani pilots are testing fighter in China, of course they are going to wear PLAAF helmet, the crescent and star is paint on chinese helmet to show their sepical identity.
 

vincelee

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Re: JF-17: New Pics

"AESA radars unlike pulse-doppler or slotted array radars dissipate radar beams that are bounced on them by enemy aircraft in the front, more effectively. So, the presence of the aircraft is shielded to an extent.
This doesnt happen in case of pulse-doppler radar."

what? You're telling me that GaAs, while an emitter, is not a reflector? I think you're confusing sidelobe and frontal return here. The much praised stealth capability of the F-22 should be due to some active cancellation done in realtime.
 

DPRKUnderground

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Re: CCTV reveal xiaolong fighter's cockpit and chinese-made AVIONICS!

silverpike said:
red star is the badge of PLA, it has nothing to do with communism now...many forces in the world use star in their badges. the helmet in the picture is a chinese pilot helmet, since the parkstiani pilots are testing fighter in China, of course they are going to wear PLAAF helmet, the crescent and star is paint on chinese helmet to show their sepical identity.

Well for the PLAAF it's less symbolic, but for many other communist country it means a whole hell of a lot.
 

tphuang

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an article by a chinese pilot on JF-17 vs su-27 and F-16 and other stuff
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interestingly, it lists JF-17 as the most advanced fighter out of China. lol, I guess they are still trying to hide J-10.
 

maglomanic

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tphuang said:
an article by a chinese pilot on JF-17 vs su-27 and F-16 and other stuff
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interestingly, it lists JF-17 as the most advanced fighter out of China. lol, I guess they are still trying to hide J-10.

So what did he say, that Jf-17 compares favorably with f-16?? I couldnt understand the meaning after translation (sentence structure!!).
 

tphuang

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just basically that the chinese pilot asked PAF pilot how JF-17's manuverability compares with F-16. PAF pilot said it manuvers better.

Then, PAF pilot asked Chinese pilot (who flew F-16 in UK before) the same question, he said they are probably similar.

Then, he also said that this manuverability is just for when it's level with water? (I guess horizontal) and that F-16 is still better for verticle? (climb rate?) due to superior T/W ratio

Then he talked about the cockpit with the 1 HUD and 3 MFDs. He said that it's like the ones on Gripen and F-18. The MFD gives pilots a really easy interface to work with. each one has 20 buttons to select different information. This allows the pilot to keep his head on flying the aircraft.

Then he talked about how China's cockpit and MFD is much further ahead than the Russian ones and the Russians were surprised.

rest just seems to be a lot of junk and boasting.
 

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’JF-17 (thunder) Aircraft infrastructure development contract awarded to a Chinese company’

Friday March 10, 2006 (2311 PST)

ISLAMABAD, March 11(Online): The contract of infrastructure development of JF-17 (Thunder) aircraft has been awarded to M/S China State Construction Engineering Corporation.

In this regard, a contract signing ceremony was held at Air Headquarters on Friday. The contract has been awarded to M/S China State Construction Engineering Corporation, which is one of the leading Chinese construction companies. According to the co-development plan the contract was awarded by CATIC to CSCEC in the presence of the representatives from Aircraft Manufacturing Factory Kamra. The ceremony was attended by Air Chief Marshal Kaleem Saadat, Chief of the Air Staff, Air Marshal Tanvir Mehmood Ahmed, Chief of the Air Staff (designate), Mr Mao Siwei Acting Chinese Ambassador, Air Marshal Aurangzeb Khan, Chairman Pakistan Aeronautical Complex Board Kamra, Air Vice Marshal Shahid Latif, Chief Project Director JF-17, Senior Colonel Li Mengyan Defence Attaché China and several other senior officials of both the sides.

According to the contract, CSCEC will construct state of the art infrastructure as per Chinese aviation standards. JF-17 Thunder is a co-design, co-development and co-production project between China and Pakistan. Production of this aircraft at Pakistan Aeronautical Complex will usher in new era of aviation technology in Pakistan and this aircraft will form the backbone of Pakistan Air Force. The aircraft is equipped with latest avionics and it will carry all types of weapons.

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crobato

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Some of the highlights on the test pilot article.

"The maneuverbility has a profound effect on me. This is one extremely nimble plane".

He says when you pull the stick on the J-7, you can only pull it gradually so you can hold the proper angle of attack. The radius of turn is wide and the maneuvebility is not good. On the FC-1, if you pull the stick, you can pull all the way in and get a very big instantaneous turn rate.

He says that the Pakistani project director, who is also a pilot, has flown the F-16. Won't repeat this already as tphuang already said it.

He says or agrees that the FC-1 has superior horizontal maneuverability over the F-16A (maneuvering in the horizontal plane). However due to inferior thrust to weight ratio, the F-16 still has the advantage on the vertical plane.

Won't mention the stuff on the MFDs anymore as tphuang already said it.

When compared to the Su-27, the FC-1's horizontal maneuverability can hold on its own, but the vertical maneuverbility is much worst than the Flanker. Again thrust to weight ratio is the reason. The FC-1 cannot compare to the Su-27's ultra maneuverbility aspects.

More in later posts.
 
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