JF-17/FC-1 Fighter Aircraft thread
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Brumby
Major
The ALE-50 was initially rolled out to the Block 50s which as you noted are predominantly the variant used for SEAD/DEAD. However you are conflating the role of the Wild Weasel to the function of towed decoys.
I brought up the towed decoy piece for a reason. The discussions of the Block 3 is about modernising the JF-17 to bring it in line with the age of modern combat and what others are doing. Any potential conflict with India in the future will inevitably have to deal with the Rafale armed with Meteor.
Imagine a scenario where a meteor missile is coming at you. Meteors are deadly because they have a large NEZ. You can't outrun it. The JF-17 can try to break the radar lock but it won't be easy against an AESA radar. Flares and chaffs are last desperate measures and against modern missiles it is iffy. Before the Meteor goes pit bull on you, towed decoys have been proven to be reasonably effective as a counter measure. The decoy gets deployed. It starts sending out jamming signals. Now the Rafale's radar has to deal with these additional signals. The towed decoys are designed to progressively increase the intensity of its emission to "seduce" the incoming to lock onto the decoy itself.
MastanKhan
Junior Member
Hi,
There is no problem with the budget---. Pakistan ordered 8 subs at one time---. It then went ahead and ordered 4 type 054's----it had also ordered Turkish choppers---It had also ordered corvettes for the navy---and the air force got some saab aircraft as well---.
Zahid
Junior Member
As more information has become available. I think that the IAF Mig-21 kill was done by F-16 & not JF-17. The rumored SU-30 MKI kill could also be attributable to F-16, though it could plausibly be JF-17. There needs to be more information.
Thanks, I looked into it, and they are advertised as being able to manage AAM as well. I just never heard of it before, although I've read Viper pilots praising their effectiveness against SAMs in Iraq and Kosovo. I guess there haven't been many Air Engagements in the decades since decoys showed up.
As for the Meteor, yea, that is a serious problem the PAF is gonna have to solve, along with the S-400, in the coming years. Decoys will help.
asif iqbal
Lieutenant General
Alan Warnes does not need a introduction
He’s been visiting Pakistani Air bases for decades
He confirmed no F16 was involved
Public never has full information
But that's exactly my point of concern. Surely Alan Warnes does not need an introduction and what You said is true, but also true is, that he constantly just RE-posts what the PAP, CAS and other Pakistani sources say.
IMO this could be rated as "he is just reporting what others report" but I would interpret it as he is clearly biased.
You cannot hope that the world simple believes whatever you posts esp if it is disputed without any hard fact. And these fats I'm still missing: We have no photographic evidence, no reliable third party confirmation; nothing. That is the same for India's claim and as long as these are not given I'll remain skeptical.
Some now surely will say "Public never has full information", and that's surely correct, but esp here in this case where both sides were posting a lot of false information, misinforming and exaggerating even up to blatantly lying (in certain media reports) I take the position it is not confirmed.
And again, IMO Alan Warnes is not unbiased, otherwise he would also repost the same unconfirmed Indian claims.
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Important as it is, towed decoy definetely is not the most effective or useful counter measure availible.
kwaigonegin
Colonel
SELEX Galileo Ariel Mk II towed decoy from the Typhoon.
asif iqbal
Lieutenant General
Yes but also he said he is not going to disclose the facts on social media
We don’t know the hidden reasons
Sukhoi was pressurising Pakistan not to disclose Sukhoi downing otherwise no future engines for JF17? It’s just a guess
We may need to wait years before the truth comes out who knows even then