MastanKhan
Junior Member
Hi,
That was in response to @Pmichael 's post---where he mentioned the JF17's wingroots to be similar to the Mig21
JF-17/FC-1 Fighter Aircraft thread
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Hi,
That was in response to @Pmichael 's post---where he mentioned the JF17's wingroots to be similar to the Mig21
manqiangrexue
Brigadier
We've been in fantasy land ever-since you've been making unsubstantiated claims about its super cruise load and this thing that you posted takes us right into the bowels to Narnia. I asked for a source for your claim and you provide a fantasy brochure that claims that the Gripen is the most advanced fighter on the planet? Reeeeaaalllllyyyy??? Do they think that 5th gen fighters are from Mars? Based on that opening statement, you could deduce that you can save your time and not read the rest of it. I search for super-cruise and found that it claims that Gripen can super-cruise at Mach 1.1 for an unspecified duration and distance with an unspecified payload. Having trouble backing your statements, eh?
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In some aspects Gripen E very well may end up being one, when it'll enter service.
It's normal for a plane which in many aspects was made anew. Some of them can be conceptual(since we don't design the whole plane from scratch - design cycle will be faster, and more recent ideascsn be put to use), some - purely technical, based on known competences of producers involved.
For example, Gripen individual EW suite is quite likely to end up being the best in many specs.
Overall - well, of course no(F-35 is here and this is it).
manqiangrexue
Brigadier
For the majority of the updated 4th gen fighters today, we can pick at least some aspects where it rivals or exceeds a 5th gen rival so I don't think that's really meaningful.
I don't know how you would evaluate the EW suite of the Gripen as being the best in many areas; could to demonstrate this? If it is, then it could explain why the Gripen is so expensive, even compared to F-35 and Rafale.
Though being the best (or among the best) in some few areas does not at all support the clear bold-faced lie that the Gripen is the most advanced fighter in the world. It is tantamount to someone claiming he is the best fighter in the world because he has the highest kick or hardest elbow.
Disclaimer: it's answer to the question(why expensive)and nothing more than that.
Well,
GaN- based EW suite (first ever), first AESA radar with additional mechanical scan in form of a rotating swashplate(GaAs- though), active decoys(BriteCloud) + all other parts of EW suite are at least at a forefront(towed decoy and so on), 5th gen level information exchange capability(Sweden is one of pioneers in this regard).
Other electronic elements of fighter were brought to competitive standart(say, Raven ES-05 isn't exactly best, but it's a solid 2015-2020 tech station with a cool feature mentioned above), +best a2a missile choice currently available on market(Meteor+IRIS-T). Last part isn't unique to it, though.
In addition it got somewhat more fuel, additional weapon stations, new man-machine interface, IRST and new engine to not make it fly worse than before.
Ultimately, it remains very small, and this still is an important advantage for years to come.
Well,
GaN- based EW suite (first ever), first AESA radar with additional mechanical scan in form of a rotating swashplate(GaAs- though), active decoys(BriteCloud) + all other parts of EW suite are at least at a forefront(towed decoy and so on), 5th gen level information exchange capability(Sweden is one of pioneers in this regard).
Other electronic elements of fighter were brought to competitive standart(say, Raven ES-05 isn't exactly best, but it's a solid 2015-2020 tech station with a cool feature mentioned above), +best a2a missile choice currently available on market(Meteor+IRIS-T). Last part isn't unique to it, though.
In addition it got somewhat more fuel, additional weapon stations, new man-machine interface, IRST and new engine to not make it fly worse than before.
Ultimately, it remains very small, and this still is an important advantage for years to come.
Hi with all these goodies how much will it cost ?
Thx
manqiangrexue
Brigadier
$85 mill is the lowest number I got but from the Brazilian deal, it was $5.4 billion for 36. Reportedly, it would have been 1 billion cheaper had the Brazilians not had special requests. The support package was $9 billion (numbers off Wiki). So if we're just talking jets, we might get $4.4 billion over 36, which is $122 mill a pop.
timepass
Brigadier
In $122mil, you can get 4 JF17 - BLK3 .... on par with Gripen or in majority of aspects better then Gripen.
So 28th is a will be a brand new squadron. We will see a JF-17 , F-7PG combo in both peshawar and quetta. Maybe there is thinking behind that related to western border. 17th Tiger Squadron Moved to Peshawar from Quetta making way for 28th sqd JF-17.
asif iqbal
Lieutenant General
UAE C17 globemaster at Chengdu
We see a JF17 fuselage
We see a JF17 fuselage