JF-17/FC-1 Fighter Aircraft thread

Blackstone

Brigadier
Well I am responding to your post that short shrift Chinese design team as lack in aesthetic. The truth is form follow function. The addition of copilot remove the space for fuel. So they have to add rump or hunch back. then probably they have to streamline it to reduce drag maybe?
I was specifically speaking of the JF-17B looking like a fat guppy and not other designs. In fact, I think the JF-17A looks nice, as do the JH-7, J-10, and L-15.

End up with that form which I don't think it is that bad
So it is not particular to Chinese team. Highly paid and skilled boeing designer did the same too
Compare to Being entry JF17B is paragon of beauty. I was about to compare Monica Levinsky to Fan BingBing But decide against it. Because the Air force commander once compare Boeing entry as Monica
It doesn't matter to me who designed it, ugly is ugly. I would have said the same thing if it was an American design.
 

Hendrik_2000

Lieutenant General
I was specifically speaking of the JF-17B looking like a fat guppy and not other designs. In fact, I think the JF-17A looks nice, as do the JH-7, J-10, and L-15.
Can you read? I was referring to J 17B
The addition of extra seat remove the space for fuel. So they have to add rump or hunch back. then probably they have to streamline it to reduce drag maybe?
That what make is fat it can't be avoided there is only so much space in the aircraft

It doesn't matter to me who designed it, ugly is ugly. I would have said the same thing if it was an American design.

But all this time you keep whining about Chinese design or whatever I have yet to see you criticize American design!
 

Air Force Brat

Brigadier
Super Moderator
I think the area has remained the same but the moment arm has increased due to the sweep of the tail.

If you look at Forbin's overlays, the vertical stab and rudder have increase by 25% or so, about right, when you increase the moment arm in the front you have to increase the yaw stability somehow, and they did not lengthen the aft fuselage, just increased the stab and rudder area.
 

Air Force Brat

Brigadier
Super Moderator
Like they say beauty is in the eye of the beholder
Compare to this LOL;)
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This guy and Fanbing bing definitely look better
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It is like comparing

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Amen Bruda, Mr. Stoney? He done got your goat buddy, we had the fat-guppy all along,,,, where oh where did Boeing find the guy that designed what is truly the fat-guppy of all time, I like the two seat bird, I'd be happy to fly it!
 

Blackstone

Brigadier
Can you read? I was referring to J 17B
The addition of extra seat remove the space for fuel. So they have to add rump or hunch back. then probably they have to streamline it to reduce drag maybe?
That what make is fat it can't be avoided there is only so much space in the aircraft
So I take it, you also think the JF-17B is fat and ugly too? If so, the the issue is settled and we have no argument.

But all this time you keep whining about Chinese design or whatever I have yet to see you criticize American design!
The topic was JF-17B, rriiiiiight...?
 

plawolf

Lieutenant General
Looks like the design team worked hard to minimise changes and maximise parts commonality with the single seat A as a design priority.

Another priority seem to have been to maximise rear seat visibility, which suggests that being a trainer is a core design requirement, as we always knew it would be.

Both of those factors together pretty much determined the hunchback look.

The spine changes looks to be a evolutionary improvement on the J10S' avionics spine to make it blend better to the fuselage.

But I think it is most likely a similar avionics spine over a mini-conformal fuel tank. Mostly because there is just nowhere else to put all the avionics displaced by the second seat. So unless they want to make the JF17B a pure advanced trainer, they have no choice but to use that space for mission avionics.

Given that, I would expect the JF17B to have shorter range than the single seaters, which would restrict their usefulness as strikers.

But, given the most likely adversaries and missions the PAF might fly, either they will be doing bombing missions against insurgents with no air threat, or they will be playing defence against the IAF, I really don't see deep strike as a core requirement for them.

An area where the JF17B might excel at OTOH might be EW.

I would not be surprised if we see the JF17B get dedicated EW and jamming pods like those sported by the JH7A and function in a similar way as mini-growlers to support a friendly fighter formation on AA or strike missions.
 
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