JF-17/FC-1 Fighter Aircraft thread
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Semi-Lobster
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I agree with you, Chinese avionics have come a long way in the past few years. I didn't mean to make fun of any posters on this forum and I apologize if I seemed a bit mean spirited there. All our Pakistani posters I find a polite, well-informed and helpful. I was just poking fun at some other forums where, indeed, I personal found their attitude towards Chinese sourced avionics and weapons system, somewhat confoundedly condescending but in no way did I mean to insult any poster here and if I have irked you somewhat Munir, I once again apologize.
Well Semi, you have to look at it from the pov of the Pakistanis as well. The perception of chinese systems being so so, is based on historical precedent. Every system we have ever sourced from China has at first had it's guts ripped out, examined and then the components were either replaced with western analouges or suggestions for improvments were made or the systems were modified inhouse. Knowing some people in the PAF since childhood I've heard many first hand accounts of the above happening. So you cannot lay the blame squarely on the shoulders of those posters as the perception was moulded by precedent. In Pakistan, made in China untill recently used to stand for well cheap disposable stuff.
Even though I am one of the people who questioned going for another supply source when the chinese avionics were just fine, I knew the subconcious or concious raision de tere behind such moves. Even now, such an integration would bring more flexibility in export options.
Even though I am one of the people who questioned going for another supply source when the chinese avionics were just fine, I knew the subconcious or concious raision de tere behind such moves. Even now, such an integration would bring more flexibility in export options.
I agree with you, Chinese avionics have come a long way in the past few years. I didn't mean to make fun of any posters on this forum and I apologize if I seemed a bit mean spirited there. All our Pakistani posters I find a polite, well-informed and helpful. I was just poking fun at some other forums where, indeed, I personal found their attitude towards Chinese sourced avionics and weapons system, somewhat confoundedly condescending but in no way did I mean to insult any poster here and if I have irked you somewhat Munir, I once again apologize.
We're friends. No problemo. Sorry if if I sounded not friendly.
I am glad Pakistan opted for Chinese avionics and weapons only. You just cannot trust other suppliers. France boycotted openly the Mirages 5 in case of Israel but in reality they gave everything for free and one could see Nesher and Kfir.. US gave them the engine and some avionics. In the past the French asked impossible prizes for the most simple parts for Pakistani Mirages. I am glad they are no longer going to be part of the PAF. Like China (and India) Pakistan moves towards developing and improving technology. One should move away from the strings from many western nations. I see great future for Chinese products.
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Semi-Lobster
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And now you can see the result of France's price gouging for support and parts. It has earned them a poor reputation internationally and now that nobody is willing to risk getting the Rafale. Even the Brazilian deal is on shaky ground now over issues of technology transfer.
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I remember that a few months ago Alan Warnes wrote in his worldfamous AirforcesMonthly that the French take their customers for granted. They even were that stupid that they wanted to sell Algeria choppers with Israeli parts... Well, as a regular visitor of the Le Bourget happening I agree that the French are arrogant and will not get any customer unless they change their attitude. They lost several deals in the arab world cause they wanted to sell more... Like Saudia had to buy tnaks and ships... Well... They can have their Rafale cause no one is going to pay for it. I hope Bazil goes for something else...
I am so glad that Pakistan will replace its Mirages with JF17. I had hope that India would give them a finger when they asked inflated prices for upgrading decades old Mirage 2000H. India has so many options. It should have dumped the Mirage. With MKI who needs that?
Semi-Lobster
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Its a shame that there is so much political interference and over political multi-system 'packages' with France's military export deals, the Mirage 2000 is a beautiful plane and its performance is excellent but the operating costs are astronomical.
I think after such a huge economic loss from the lack of Rafale sales may have finally woken them up and are being more upfront with issues such cooperation and technological transfer but the offer IMO is still lagging behind Saab's offer though.
It Is Firm: Pakistan Will Equip 250 JF-17's With Chinese Sub Systems.
2010珠海航展期间，环球时报记者独家专访了巴空军总参谋长拉奥-卡马尔-苏莱曼上将。苏莱曼上将表示，巴基斯坦空军已决定装备250架JF-17“雷电”战机(即成飞出品的F C-1“枭龙”战机)，并配备中国的航电和导弹系统；而巴方就几款中国防空导弹的采购前期评估工作也在进行中。
此前曾有报道称，后期批次的中巴合研JF-17战机将会装备法制机载雷达、航电系统和导弹，苏莱曼上将表示，当前，巴空军并没有计划为JF-17配备法国的系统和武器。他说，当前，JF-17装备的都是中国的航电和武器系统，总共将有250架JF-17交付巴基斯坦空军。
苏莱曼上将表示，中国研制的主动雷达制导中距空空导弹，也就是SD-10超视距空空导弹，将会成为JF-17战机的标准配备，整合工作已经在进行中，JF-17战机很快将会具备超视距作战能力。
11月16日，在珠海航展的展台上，中航工业防务分公司还向苏莱曼上将展示了小直径精确制导炸弹。曾经是一名战机飞行员的苏莱曼上将对环球时报记者表示，小直径炸弹并非特定与轻型战机或者重型战机联系在一起，小直径炸弹是平叛作战中的理想武器，如果试图摧毁某个村庄中的特定房屋，就比较适合使用小直径炸弹，从而降低附带损伤。
苏莱曼上将表示，当前所有的JF-17战机都装备了俄制RD-93发动机，但如果中国拥有一款性能良好的发动机，巴方也是欢迎的。他还说，巴基斯坦空军很可能将建立起对RD-93发动机的大修能力。另据11月16日的俄新网报道，俄罗斯愿向中国再出口500台R-93发动机，而并不会限制中国将其售予第三国。
巴基斯坦空军正在努力推进现代化进程，巴空军还将采购一批先进的防空导弹系统。苏莱曼上将对环球时报记者说，防空导弹采购来源方面，巴空军有多种选择，其中包括中国的一些性能很好的防空导弹系统，巴方正在对其进行评估，当评估工作结束之后，巴方将很可能采购并接收它们。他还表示，中国有三到四种不同型号的防空导弹系统可供巴方选择，但他没有透露具体型号，以免引发误解。（徐天然）
Sorry, Reproduced By Google Translation
During the 2010 Zhuhai Air Show, the Global Times reporter an exclusive interview with the Pakistan Air Force Chief of Staff Rao - Kamal - General Suleiman. Suleiman will be said that Pakistan Air Force has decided to equip 250 JF-17 "Lightning" fighter (Serve fly produced the F C-1 "Fierce Dragon" fighter), and equipped with Chinese avionics and missile systems; and Pakistan the Chinese side on several anti-aircraft missiles early assessment of the procurement being conducted.
Previously there have been reports that batches of the late Pakistani JF-17 fighter planes combined research the legal system will be equipped with airborne radar, avionics systems and missiles, said General Suleiman, present, and no plans for the Pakistan Air Force JF-17 with the French system and weapons. He said the current, JF-17 is equipped with Chinese avionics and weapons systems, a total of 250 will be delivered to Pakistan Air Force JF-17.
Suleiman will be said that China's active radar guidance in the development from the air to air missile, which is the SD-10 BVR AAM, JF-17 fighters will be standard equipment, integration has been underway, JF-17 fighters will soon be available over the horizon capability.
November 16, in the Zhuhai Air Show booth, in the defense aircraft industry branch also will show to the small diameter Suleiman precision-guided bombs. Once a fighter pilot Suleiman told reporters on the Global Times, will be of small diameter bombs or not a particular heavy and light fighter aircraft linked to the small diameter bomb is the ideal weapon in counterinsurgency operations, if you try to destroy a villages in the specific housing, it is more suitable for small-diameter bomb, thereby reducing collateral damage.
Suleiman will be said that the current all the JF-17 fighters equipped with Russian RD-93 engines, but if China has a good performance of the engine, the Palestinian side is also welcome. He also said that Pakistan Air Force is likely to build on the RD-93 engine overhaul capabilities. According to November 16 the Russian new network reported that Russia is willing to re-export to China of 500 R-93 engine, and does not restrict its sale to a third country of China.
Pakistan Air Force is working to promote the modernization process, the Pakistan Air Force will purchase a number of advanced air defense missile system. Suleiman told reporters on the Global Times, will air defense missile procurement sources, the Pakistan Air Force has several options, including some of China's air defense missile system works very well, Founder Pakistan in its assessment, when the end of the assessment After the Palestinian side will probably purchase and receive them. He also said that China has three or four different types of air defense missile system options available to the Palestinian side, but he did not disclose the specific models, so as not to cause misunderstanding. (Xu natural)
2010珠海航展期间，环球时报记者独家专访了巴空军总参谋长拉奥-卡马尔-苏莱曼上将。苏莱曼上将表示，巴基斯坦空军已决定装备250架JF-17“雷电”战机(即成飞出品的F C-1“枭龙”战机)，并配备中国的航电和导弹系统；而巴方就几款中国防空导弹的采购前期评估工作也在进行中。
此前曾有报道称，后期批次的中巴合研JF-17战机将会装备法制机载雷达、航电系统和导弹，苏莱曼上将表示，当前，巴空军并没有计划为JF-17配备法国的系统和武器。他说，当前，JF-17装备的都是中国的航电和武器系统，总共将有250架JF-17交付巴基斯坦空军。
苏莱曼上将表示，中国研制的主动雷达制导中距空空导弹，也就是SD-10超视距空空导弹，将会成为JF-17战机的标准配备，整合工作已经在进行中，JF-17战机很快将会具备超视距作战能力。
11月16日，在珠海航展的展台上，中航工业防务分公司还向苏莱曼上将展示了小直径精确制导炸弹。曾经是一名战机飞行员的苏莱曼上将对环球时报记者表示，小直径炸弹并非特定与轻型战机或者重型战机联系在一起，小直径炸弹是平叛作战中的理想武器，如果试图摧毁某个村庄中的特定房屋，就比较适合使用小直径炸弹，从而降低附带损伤。
苏莱曼上将表示，当前所有的JF-17战机都装备了俄制RD-93发动机，但如果中国拥有一款性能良好的发动机，巴方也是欢迎的。他还说，巴基斯坦空军很可能将建立起对RD-93发动机的大修能力。另据11月16日的俄新网报道，俄罗斯愿向中国再出口500台R-93发动机，而并不会限制中国将其售予第三国。
巴基斯坦空军正在努力推进现代化进程，巴空军还将采购一批先进的防空导弹系统。苏莱曼上将对环球时报记者说，防空导弹采购来源方面，巴空军有多种选择，其中包括中国的一些性能很好的防空导弹系统，巴方正在对其进行评估，当评估工作结束之后，巴方将很可能采购并接收它们。他还表示，中国有三到四种不同型号的防空导弹系统可供巴方选择，但他没有透露具体型号，以免引发误解。（徐天然）
Sorry, Reproduced By Google Translation
During the 2010 Zhuhai Air Show, the Global Times reporter an exclusive interview with the Pakistan Air Force Chief of Staff Rao - Kamal - General Suleiman. Suleiman will be said that Pakistan Air Force has decided to equip 250 JF-17 "Lightning" fighter (Serve fly produced the F C-1 "Fierce Dragon" fighter), and equipped with Chinese avionics and missile systems; and Pakistan the Chinese side on several anti-aircraft missiles early assessment of the procurement being conducted.
Previously there have been reports that batches of the late Pakistani JF-17 fighter planes combined research the legal system will be equipped with airborne radar, avionics systems and missiles, said General Suleiman, present, and no plans for the Pakistan Air Force JF-17 with the French system and weapons. He said the current, JF-17 is equipped with Chinese avionics and weapons systems, a total of 250 will be delivered to Pakistan Air Force JF-17.
Suleiman will be said that China's active radar guidance in the development from the air to air missile, which is the SD-10 BVR AAM, JF-17 fighters will be standard equipment, integration has been underway, JF-17 fighters will soon be available over the horizon capability.
November 16, in the Zhuhai Air Show booth, in the defense aircraft industry branch also will show to the small diameter Suleiman precision-guided bombs. Once a fighter pilot Suleiman told reporters on the Global Times, will be of small diameter bombs or not a particular heavy and light fighter aircraft linked to the small diameter bomb is the ideal weapon in counterinsurgency operations, if you try to destroy a villages in the specific housing, it is more suitable for small-diameter bomb, thereby reducing collateral damage.
Suleiman will be said that the current all the JF-17 fighters equipped with Russian RD-93 engines, but if China has a good performance of the engine, the Palestinian side is also welcome. He also said that Pakistan Air Force is likely to build on the RD-93 engine overhaul capabilities. According to November 16 the Russian new network reported that Russia is willing to re-export to China of 500 R-93 engine, and does not restrict its sale to a third country of China.
Pakistan Air Force is working to promote the modernization process, the Pakistan Air Force will purchase a number of advanced air defense missile system. Suleiman told reporters on the Global Times, will air defense missile procurement sources, the Pakistan Air Force has several options, including some of China's air defense missile system works very well, Founder Pakistan in its assessment, when the end of the assessment After the Palestinian side will probably purchase and receive them. He also said that China has three or four different types of air defense missile system options available to the Palestinian side, but he did not disclose the specific models, so as not to cause misunderstanding. (Xu natural)
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