Jeff Head's 2011 Update of the Rising Sea Dragon in Asia now Posted

Finn McCool said:

Always good to see professional level contribution from SDF members. And it's always good to see more from Jeff Head one of SDF's longtime VIPs. You know Jeff, some of my friends and I were writing down our predictions for the state of the world in 100 years, and I have to say that your book's depiction of space warfare helped develop my ideas on future weapons development.

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Thanks Finn. You will really like the sequel I am writing (by popular demand).

It's set 150 years later, and it is all space warfare, with rapid expansion into this arm of the galaxy, FTL, exotic weapons, etc., etc. ..even some real surprises through the story as to what "else" they find out there while the war goes on. Hope to have it out in a few months.

adeptitus said:

"Outside of naval operations, but potentially impacting them should a carrier derivitive be developed, the PLAAF rolled out its first fifth generation stealth fighter prototype, the J-20, for taxi tests at the end of the year (2010). The aircraft appears to combine the characteristsics of the front end of the United States F-22 Raptor (which is the only fifth generation stealth fighter actually in full production with over 100 having been produced), with the tail end portion of the prototype T-50 (two of which jave been produced) being built by Russia and India."

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, the 052B is listed as having "48 MR VLS AAW". IMO arm launcher doesn't really qualify as VLS. The weapon list for 051 Luda is a compilation of all the weapon systems found on various versions of the ship, listing them under the ship entry is a bit misleading as no single ship of that class carry everything. Tonnage on the ships (both US and China) might need a revision, or given a range of estimates.


For the record, Jeff's novel is still 1,000,000,000 times better than the rubbish that Tom Clancy's ghost writer barfed out of his typewriter (The Bear and the Dragon).

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Thanks Adep, I'll get those fixed.

Excellent work Jeff!

Regarding your comment about PRC finding a more Republican form of government, I'm assuming you mean democracy? Well, 10 Oct 2011 happens to be the 100th anniversary of the Xinhai revolution that resulted in the overthrow of the Qing Dynasty in China that culminated in a democratic Chinese government under current day ROC. 10 Oct has traditionally been celebrated with great fanfare in ROC. And indications so far seems to be that PRC will also be celebrating it big time this year as well. I think how PRC's state media cover it will be an indication of their stance on political reform.

Spartan95 said:

Excellent work Jeff!

Regarding your comment about PRC finding a more Republican form of government, I'm assuming you mean democracy? Well, 10 Oct 2011 happens to be the 100th anniversary of the Xinhai revolution that resulted in the overthrow of the Qing Dynasty in China that culminated in a democratic Chinese government under current day ROC. 10 Oct has traditionally been celebrated with great fanfare in ROC. And indications so far seems to be that PRC will also be celebrating it big time this year as well. I think how PRC's state media cover it will be an indication of their stance on political reform.

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Thanks. I am very well of the Chinese past and historical democratic/republic. A true Republic is a representative form of government, bound by a constitution that recognizes the rights of the people, and allows them to elect representatives (from whomever they will, several parties, independents, individuals, etc.) to form their government and then represent them in it in law making, executive decisions, selection of judges, etc. and then replace them through regular elections if the will of the people according to their constitution so directs.

Mainland China was developing a very strong republic in times past and the ROC has one to this day and celebrates it as you say. I am very glad to hear that it will also be celebrated on the mainland.

Such governments tend to be more stable and peaceful (and I am speaking peaceful both internally and externally where the people live at peace within that government without fear of the government) over the long term. Most former monarchies have gravitated to this form of government, Of course, the US broke from a monarchy and formed the first true representative republic based on a constitution that placed the power in the hands of the people and openly recognizesd in law their God-given rights. IMHO, it is why is has endured for so long.

Anyhow, this digresses.

I believe the growth of the PLAN is phenominal and worthy of documenting.

I expect that 2011 will be a huge year for the PLAN...more large major combatants, perhaps some new classes, and if nothing else, the launching of the former Varyag as the PLAN's first carrier.

Time will tell.

Excellent work Jeff! But - stay at this part.
The difterent goverment is also a result of different culture, tradition and history. The chinese history - indeed - show, that the western way is not the only way to make people happy.
Arround 230 Years of democratic cultur in USA (including slavery and destruction of the Indians don't allow to patronize arround 3 000 Years of continuous zivilisation.
Only the Chinese people can decide themselves on his government form.

Sczepan said:

Only the Chinese people can decide themselves on his government form.

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Exactly. I agree...and that's my entire point.

petty officer1 said:

This is common to every countries in the world, you don't think most Chinese think America is a threat?

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No they don't actually. The majority of Chinese people see the US as a friendly, if somewhat arrogant, nation. There is no sense of the "American Threat" as the Americans have against China. Instead, most Chinese see Japan as the main threat.

Jeff Head said:

Thanks. I am very well of the Chinese past and historical democratic/republic.
Mainland China had a very strong republic in times past and the ROC does to this day and celebrates it as you say.

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No offense, but I don't think you're all that familiar with China's history if you think the Chinese republican period was "strong". Perhaps you meant something else?

solarz said:

No offense, but I don't think you're all that familiar with China's history if you think the Chinese republican period was "strong". Perhaps you meant something else?

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The Republic that was trying to be defined under Song was strong in the sense that it was based on fairly fundamental principle. That was my real meaning.

Unfortunately with Song's assassination, and with Yuan dissolvoing parliment after putting down the resulting KMT revolt and in essence establishing himself as a dictator...and then with the circumstances leading to the Japanese invasion...the ideas for that sound republic did not get a chance to flourish or ever be "strong" as a nation.

Now...I hope that helps, but let's get back to the topic of this discussion which is the unparalled growth of the PLAN, particularly the events of 2010 and those contemplated for 2011.

Jeff Head said:

The Republic that was trying to be defined under Song was strong in the sense that it was based on fairly fundamental principle. That was my real meaning.

Unfortunately with Song's assassination, and with Yuan dissolvoing parliment after putting down the resulting KMT revolt and in essence establishing himself as a dictator...and then with the circumstances leading to the Japanese invasion...the ideas for that sound republic did not get a chance to flourish or ever be "strong" as a nation.

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It's one thing to formulate good fundamental principles, it's quite another to implement it. The fact is, the attempt at republicanism in China quickly degenerated into authoritarianism (and almost back into imperialism under Yuan) simply because power belonged to those who commanded the military. After the end of WW2, the CCP under Mao and Zhou sought a republican-style government with the KMT. Chiang refused and initiated military actions against the communists, and the rest, as they say, is history.

It is really quite ironic. First the KMT wanted to create democracy, but they were thwarted by Yuan. Once the KMT gained power, the CCP tried to initiate democracy, and Chiang brutally suppressed them. Once the KMT was defeated, the CCP quickly abandoned their democratic aspirations.

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