Japanese Defence Minister: Helicopter & DDG "locked on" by Chinese Frigates' Radar

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Equation said:

IF you agreed the DYY island belongs to China, why not let China have control of their territory? Why is Japan illegally keeping control of this land? What is there gain by holding on to it?

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These questions make it clear to me that you have definitely not thought things through wrt the DYT territorial dispute and just want to fight for the sake of fighting. Does this stance somehow make you feel more personally empowered or something? What exactly has changed about the DYT situation that is now making you get all nutso about it and want to go forcibly take over the islands from Japan's control, whereas you were NOT advocating the same plan, say, two years ago, hmmm? Japan's "nationalization" of DYT? That did what to significantly change anything between Japan and China's official position, or Japan's de facto control, wrt DYT? Nothing, and nothing. The only thing it did was to allow China to now routinely patrol very close to DYT. And it looks like Chinese MSA ships are even dropping sonobuoys in the area, all because of Japan's move to nationalize DYT. It looks to me like China wins this round. I obviously don't even have the first damn clue what it looks like to someone like you LOL

Equation said:

Now you know how it feels. The subject is also about you calling me or anyone thinks like me a "warmonger". Please don't copy my come backs, go innovate your own, because that's weak.

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Unlike you, I have never refused to justify my own labeling. A warmonger is by implication someone who is ruled by irrational passion instead of measured reason and most likely has not thought things through. See above.

Now go ahead and explain to everybody how I am a China "hater" and where I "defamed" China.

Equation said:

This is a free forum where I can respond to any comments as I wish, so you're against freedom of speech or the opinions of others?

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You angrily replied to a comment I made to someone else because you incorrectly assumed I was talking to YOU, and now you say this? Do you have any idea how ridiculous this makes you sound?

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Mysterre said:

These questions make it clear to me that you have definitely not thought things through wrt the DYT territorial dispute and just want to fight for the sake of fighting. Does this stance somehow make you feel more personally empowered or something? What exactly has changed about the DYT situation that is now making you get all nutso about it and want to go forcibly take over the islands from Japan's control, whereas you were NOT advocating the same plan, say, two years ago, hmmm? Japan's "nationalization" of DYT? That did what to significantly change anything between Japan and China's official position, or Japan's de facto control, wrt DYT? Nothing, and nothing. The only thing it did was to allow China to now routinely patrol very close to DYT. And it looks like Chinese MSA ships are even dropping sonobuoys in the area, all because of Japan's move to nationalize DYT. It looks to me like China wins this round. I obviously don't even have the first damn clue what it looks like to someone like you LOL

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So the fact of the matter is that Japan has no de facto right to control the DYT and are refusing to give it up at this time raise a lot of questions as to what is Japan's gain for this? If Japan refused to give up that de facto control over the DYT than of course China has the right to take preemptive measures politically, economically, and militarily to settle the dispute once and for all. You're being a drama queen over this issue just because someone agreed to your perspectives. I suggest you need to retake some ESL class to improve your English grammar because I am lost with some of your sentences.

Re: Japanese Defence Minister: Helicopter & DDG "locked on" by Chinese Frigates' Ra

Mysterre said:

Unlike you, I have never refused to justify my own labeling. A warmonger is by implication someone who is ruled by irrational passion instead of measured reason and most likely has not thought things through. See above.

Now go ahead and explain to everybody how I am a China "hater" and where I "defamed" China.

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Aren't you being irrational as well by suggesting everybody to accept your way of thinking? There is nothing to explain as you have already proven to "hate" any Chinese or anyone that suggest a different view points.

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Mysterre said:

You angrily replied to a comment I made to someone else because you incorrectly assumed I was talking to YOU, and now you say this? Do you have any idea how ridiculous this makes you sound?

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Now you're saying I don't have the right to jump in? Geez where's the freedom of speech in this? Are you that scared of my words or what?

Re: Japanese Defence Minister: Helicopter & DDG "locked on" by Chinese Frigates' Ra

This useless thread has sucked up so many potential and drawn attention from other threads. please post in other threads and let this one die.. We need more pics in the navy and air force threads!!

Re: Japanese Defence Minister: Helicopter & DDG "locked on" by Chinese Frigates' Ra

Equation said:

So the fact of the matter is that Japan has no de facto right to control the DYT and are refusing to give it up at this time raise a lot of questions as to what is Japan's gain for this? If Japan refused to give up that de facto control over the DYT than of course China has the right to take preemptive measures politically, economically, and militarily to settle the dispute once and for all. You're being a drama queen over this issue just because someone agreed to your perspectives. I suggest you need to retake some ESL class to improve your English grammar because I am lost with some of your sentences.

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What is a "de facto right"? Do you even have any clue what de facto means? If you did, you would not talk about "de facto rights". In point of fact, the concept of "de facto" intentionally leaves out the question of legitimacy and refers specifically and only to "the facts on the ground". I find it very funny that YOU are telling ME to take some ESL classes ROFLMAO! And to be perfectly honest, you getting lost with some of my sentences is more a reflection on your level of comprehension than my level of grammar. Just sayin.....

Equation said:

Aren't you being irrational as well by suggesting everybody to accept your way of thinking? There is nothing to explain as you have already proven to "hate" any Chinese or anyone that suggest a different view points.

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Ah, I see, so now it's not so much "China-hater" as "Chinese-hater", eh? I see what you did there. And so does everybody else. You are now being totally intellectually dishonest at this point. You have no backup for any of your accusations against me, and have to resort to moving the goalposts and being dishonest to continue your useless claims.

Equation said:

Now you're saying I don't have the right to jump in? Geez where's the freedom of speech in this? Are you that scared of my words or what?

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Your original reply to me was as if I had written to you; that is how you understood it, and that is how you replied. This much is indisputable. Now you are trying to ludicrously reframe your reply as some kind of free speech thing, that somehow you knew all along that I wasn't talking to you, but you just wanted to jump in. This makes me laugh hard. This also makes you look more ridiculous with each post in which you attempt to squirm out of your mistake. Take a hint: it's not working out for you.

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Mysterre said:

What is a "de facto right"? Do you even have any clue what de facto means? If you did, you would not talk about "de facto rights". In point of fact, the concept of "de facto" intentionally leaves out the question of legitimacy and refers specifically and only to "the facts on the ground". I find it very funny that YOU are telling ME to take some ESL classes ROFLMAO! And to be perfectly honest, you getting lost with some of my sentences is more a reflection on your level of comprehension than my level of grammar. Just sayin.....

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So you do agreed that Japan does not have the right to control the DYT? So what is Japan's purpose of controlling and island that don't belong to them? You still haven't answer that one important question and I don't expect you to. Why dose Japan needs to de facto control on the the DYT?

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Mysterre said:

Ah, I see, so now it's not so much "China-hater" as "Chinese-hater", eh? I see what you did there. And so does everybody else. You are now being totally intellectually dishonest at this point. You have no backup for any of your accusations against me, and have to resort to moving the goalposts and being dishonest to continue your useless claims.

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I see what you are doing steering away from the conversation by adding accusation of a different matter to paint the accuser as being "intellectually dishonest". Playing the false victim won't get you anywhere. Did you just graduate from the Nike X/Gambit School of Bravado Arguments or what, because you sure do write like them?

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Ok, let's not let this thread evolve into a "which side should have DYT" debate. This is internet that has exactly zero effect on the outcome of the dispute.

Re: Japanese Defence Minister: Helicopter & DDG "locked on" by Chinese Frigates' Ra

Mysterre said:

Your original reply to me was as if I had written to you; that is how you understood it, and that is how you replied. This much is indisputable. Now you are trying to ludicrously reframe your reply as some kind of free speech thing, that somehow you knew all along that I wasn't talking to you, but you just wanted to jump in. This makes me laugh hard. This also makes you look more ridiculous with each post in which you attempt to squirm out of your mistake. Take a hint: it's not working out for you.

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You mean now I don't have the right to reply anyway I want? It's just a simple reply in which you got offended by me for some how "budging" into your conversation. If you're talking to someone specifically and want to keep it away from someone else from jumping in, than do that privately. Since this an open forum for all to read, everybody and any body has the right to join in the conversation. Read the rules again, because you seem to have forgotten it. Making weak accusation makes you look silly and insecure.