Japan spots Chinese Warships

Gollevainen said:

yea, we shouldnt look all flat topped 10 tonners as LPHs...

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Now, the French and the Russians operated real, pure helicopter ships.

The French Jeanne d' Arc:



The Russians Moskva

why does the moskova looked like a red X?

quote:Any real pics of the construction of those ships like the S.Korean LPX? I have to start using Google instead of Yahoo. I'm missing a lot!

well, there is a threa in the world military forum called south koreas naval rearmament with a pic of an lpx.

well Whit LPH, i mean at least some sort of amphibious capapility. Moskva wasent involved to landing operations and De Gaulle was primaly a training ship (thus whit limited ASW and Amph. capabilityes)

proper LPHs are HMS Ocean and USN's Wasp, Tarawa and retired Iwo Jimmas...

MIGleader said:

why does the moskova looked like a red X?

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I fixed it. Look up there again.

Gollevainen said:

well Whit LPH, i mean at least some sort of amphibious capapility....

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Agreed. I was just pointing out that those two ships were true Helo carriers and not Amphib, or aircraft (fixed wing) carriers.

the japanese DDH proposal=amphibous light carrier
just look at it!! it can clearly handle stols and vtols with ease!
such a ship also would forfit japans complaning rights if chna builds a "DDH"

the japanese DDH proposal=amphibous light carrier
just look at it!! it can clearly handle stols and vtols with ease!
such a ship also would forfit japans complaning rights if chna builds a "DDH"

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Moskva and Kiev could both use V/STOL planes (tough the first used them only in testing purpose) but still wheren't able to do any amph. missions. It's not about the aircapapility, but the ability to transport (and store) troops and equipment...those japanese vessels would would be quite crowded if amph. battalion would have to squeese in whit all they equipments...

Anyway i'm bit amaized about this sudden ethusiaism for LPHs...USMC realized that the Iwo Jima class wasen't a complete succes as it relied sole for helicopters. Bad weather is way too limiting factor and also the fact that no heavy equipment could be transported. Therefor the Wasp and Tarawas have docking wells...

well, there is a threa in the world military forum called south koreas naval rearmament with a pic of an lpx.

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MIGleader I meant to say does anyone have any pics of the JMSDF new DDH uner construction. I can't find any...

Anyway i'm bit amaized about this sudden ethusiaism for LPHs...USMC realized that the Iwo Jima class wasen't a complete succes as it relied sole for helicopters. Bad weather is way too limiting factor and also the fact that no heavy equipment could be transported. Therefor the Wasp and Tarawas have docking wells...

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So very true. The old Iwo Jima class LPH's were limited severly by there lack of a well deck and there smaller size.

The Tarawa class and Wasp class can are probaly the most capable amphip ships ever built.

USS Wasp LHD-1

bd popeye said:

MIGleader I meant to say does anyone have any pics of the JMSDF new DDH uner construction. I can't find any...

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im not sure there are any. we dont really have any japenese members.
now, im sure everyone wants to see a plan lph...why has the plan delayed so long anyways? china has a suberb shipbuilding ifrastructure, clearly capable of making lph's. but instead, they build the tank landing ship.

perhaps the plan does not want its neigbors to see it as a threat
but all its neibors have lph's!

bd popeye said:

So very true.

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Popeye...have you seen the brand new French LPH, the first in class Mistral was recently launched?

Here's a link on my new web sie.



It's fairly good size (21,000 tons - bigger than the new South Korean one) and appears very capable.

Until just recently, I did not even know it existed.