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SamuraiBlue

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This is BIG news..IF it come law.

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To make my position clear, I am against this move. If the government wants to make collective defence part of Japan's official position in national security then they should place it under a national referendum to revise article nine. The citizens of Japan owes it to the men and women of the JSDF who may go abroad risking their lives to serve their nation to recognize them as an official military force. Right now techically they are not covered under the Geneva Convetion since they are only a civilian servants like the police force. I really fear how they will be treated if they engage in a military conflict and are caught as POW. Japan as a nation needs to provide the people who are going to harms way the basic assurance that they will be treated as military personnel. Without that raw basic right I cannot send these men and women abroad with good conscious.
 

Jeff Head

General
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To make my position clear, I am against this move. If the government wants to make collective defence part of Japan's official position in national security then they should place it under a national referendum to revise article nine. The citizens of Japan owes it to the men and women of the JSDF who may go abroad risking their lives to serve their nation to recognize them as an official military force. Right now techically they are not covered under the Geneva Convetion since they are only a civilian servants like the police force.

Without that raw basic right I cannot send these men and women abroad with good conscious.
Amen to every bit of that, my friend. God bless you for your loyalty and support to them.

I was unaware that the Self defense Forces were not considered official military under international law.

I know our own military personnel consider them as such, and respect them because they are very squared away.
 

Jeff Head

General
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Taking a break from threatening to kill each other and calling each other Voldemort, I see.
Very rarely indeed is it the individual sailors, or even the commanders of their vessels who engage in such things.

Please do not make comments that might give cause for such behavior to infect this thread.
 

TerraN_EmpirE

Tyrant King
Taking a break from threatening to kill each other and calling each other Voldemort, I see.

I don't, I am sorry Inst were you trying to make some kind of point? Because I don't see it.
Blue has a valid argument. The SDF is a defacto uniformed military service, and as such should have all the official recognition,rights and obligations there in. Additionally Blue and Jeff have not as far as I can see engaged in much in the form of disagreement. So I don't see any threats.
putting it before a national referendum seems a perfectly valid and reasonable action.
I am sure it would also be seen as a clear message that The State of Japan is taking it's position in the Asian and global political sphere seriously and that its prepared to protect its national interests.
I am also sure Beijing would have a field day with party paper headlines and opeds about it to.
 

Blackstone

Brigadier
Abe's government is set to ease limits on its military from the US-imposed Japanese Constitution. Some of Japan's neighbors may not welcome the move, but it's good for Japan to be a "normal" country with a fully restored military. It's also good for the US because once fully armed, Japan could defend itself and go its own way. China should welcome a rearmed Japan, since that will give US the breathing room to step away from Japan and work a G2 arrangement with China that includes security for smaller nations. Everybody wins.
 
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SamuraiBlue

Captain
Amen to every bit of that, my friend. God bless you for your loyalty and support to them.

I was unaware that the Self defense Forces were not considered official military under international law.

How could JSDF be considered an official military force under international law if our own constitution does not?
That is the very reason why I want a national referandum to happen.Presently there is no military rule of conduct nor court martial to regulate the action of these personnel. The rules of engagement is also ambiguous requiring all actions to be cleared by the government first. There are so many contradictions under the present situation.
Iam also very conserned about this re-interpretation of the constitution. As one American correspondent had put it this is a coup detant by the government underminding the citizens of Japan.
If we leave this kind of dangerous example it opens the flood gates of further unwanted and more importantly unlawful possibilities in the future making the constitution worthless then the paper it is written on.
 

Inst

Captain
Abe proposes an aggressive foreign policy aimed at containing China at any cost, including dragging the United States in to contain China when the JSDF can't do the job itself, because a strong China in the East Asia region won't forgive history and will relegate Japan to the status of a second-tier regional power. In theory, there's no problem with a JSDF that's autonomous and a fully legal military force, but in practice the result will be aggressive attempts at military containment of China.

The three outcomes here are as follows, #1, Abe's mouth writes a check the JSDF can't cash, so the JMSDF or the JASDF gets destroyed by the PLASAF, PLAAF, an PLAN. #2, Abe manages to drag the US into what is essentially a world war, and manages to wreck the Chinese while he's at it. #3, both sides, somehow, find a modus vivendi acceptable to both sides.

Two out of three outcomes are distinctly bad, because either the Chinese get blown up or the Japanese get blown up, and the third outcome seems distinctly suboptimal from a Chinese point of view, because with full extension the Japanese will just end up a spoiler for whatever aims the Chinese have in the region. From the Japanese point of view, one out of three is distinctly bad (the Americans fail to bail the JSDF, the JSDF gets destroyed), while the other is middling (better than being relegated to a second-tier power and being reduced to a Chinese satellite), and the third is excellent.

@ Terran Empire: I can understand the geopolitical logic behind the Sino-Japanese conflict (the Chinese look at the Japanese as a speedbump in their drive to regional hegemony, the Japanese don't want to be relegated to a second-rate power in a region where they used to be the #2 force after the USN), but the expressions of Sino-Japanese enmity are often laughable and the behavior is quite often childish.
 
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FORBIN

Lieutenant General
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Some rumors concerning Naha AFB, receive one 2nd F-15 Sqn, 304 based to Tsuiki is mentioned replaced here by one of two F-2 sqn's based to Misawa.

In more the new E-2 sqn, 603, is stationned at Naha now and Hawk unit 6 AAG become 15 SAM RGt ( attached to the 15th Infantry Brigade ) is now fully equipped with Type 03 Chū-SAM and with TEL Type 081, short range.
 

Franklin

Captain
Rather the law changes or not is in my view symbolic. Its not like that the Japanese are going to start a war. The bigger problem for Japan and the rest of the world is that PM Shinzo Abe is messing up the economy in Japan big times. And that will end up costing Japan and the rest of the world dearly. That is the danger out of Japan that no one is talking about.
 
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