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advill

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The number of ships will be dependent on the Defense Budget of the specific country. UK is facing really big defense cuts, much to the consternation of the RN. Japan has the cash to expand its Navy, and likewise China's PLA-N. I just wonder what could happen to the strength of the USN when there are further cuts to the Navy's budget. Perhaps clever spending on development of maritime hi-technology could be a possible answer; i.e. with reduction of manpower on board high-tech modern ships. Also, the use of Naval Volunteer Reservists to supplement permanent career officers & sailors could be further encouraged in the Service.

I recently edited a book which was launched in KL, Malaysia on 27 Nov 2013 entitled: "Naval Reservists in Action ...." where officers and ratings were mobilized for service and saw action/also involved in evacuation in the Far East during WW II (HK, Singapore, Malaya, Burma etc.) against the Imperial Japanese Forces, and also during the hostilities of 1963-1966. Reservists can be as good as the regulars if trained. In the words of the British P.M. Churchill during WW II commenting on the RNVR vis-a-vis the Battle of the Atlantic, he said: "The Reservists is twice the citizen".




asif iqbal said:
Royal Navy may have powerful ships but the warship tonnage the JMSDF brings to the fight is enormous

Very modern, powerful and professional, the most important thing they have is critical mass which the RN lack, see JMSDF can go to war and sustain casualties and fight another day, whereas RN has a very sophisticated small fleet one of them goes or breaks down you losse a huge capability a massive gap in the defence

JMSDF has many many capable vessals
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kwaigonegin

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Jeff Head said:
My real aim was taking a look at a true Blue Water comparison...in which case the Type 72s would not come into play. Clearly for any use of forces in terms of sea lift to SCS or other islands, they would be an important asset.

I think in the longer term, the JMSDF will continue to build modern vessels of various classes. I do not think they will be able to keep pace with the PLAN in terms of numbers of DDGs or FFGs. They may end up with a similar number of smaller CVH tyoe carriers that would be capable of STOVL aircraft...but will not have the same type of large STOBAR and ultimately CATOBAR carriers the PLAN will have.

Right now, next to the US, the JMSDF is the most powerful destroyer navy on the planet, but the PLAN is rapidly catching up and will surpass them in terms of numbers, and then tonnage in the next 6-8 years.

As it stands, the PLAN is clearly the largest and most powerful FFG navy in the world, including larger in terms of numbers and tonnage in that category than the US Navy. But the US Navy essentially stopped building FFGs after the OHP Class and has been building DDGs ever since. As a result, the US Navy cpuld bring more DDGs to the fore as the PLAN can bring DDGs and FFGs combined.

In terms of total numbers, it is clear that right now, the PLAN has, in terms of numbers of modern vessels and tonnage, achieved a rank of second largest in the world next to the US Navy. They are not too far ahead of the JMSDF, and the JMSDF's experience level would probably make the difference for the next 5 years or so. But after that, the growing experience level of the PLAN, and the continued rise in the disparity of numbers and tonnage, will eclipse that advantage too.
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As they say, quantity is also a quality in itself. Of course the ideal is to have both in which case USN has everyone beat.
GO NAVY!
lol ok sorry for the cheap plug and football reference!!

But yes with a growing economy and more SLOCs to administered and protect there is no doubt PLAN will in the forseeable future second only to the USN and everyone else a distant 3rd. In the PACRIM I would say once they have their CATOBAR and fully functional CSG they will be as capable as the USN at sea and most likely surpass in terms of overall capabilities because of shore based assets.
 
TerraN_EmpirE

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The Strongest services for both the UK and Japan must always be The Navy followed buy the Air force. As island nations Naval power is critical for there national defense. any and all threats to there national sovereignty will always come across the sea.
I find it odd that until this recent push the SDF has not created or placed a emphasis on Amphibious assault.
The battles of the second world war should have shown that battle of the pacific, particularly island nations is Amphibious. now it seems the JSDF is taking steps ( long over due) to establish this capability. but in many ways I worry that Air Sea battle and the Marine Capability for both the SDF and USMC may be lagging.
The Cancellation of the EFV has opened a capability gap compared to Russian Bmp 3 or Chinese ZD97 equipped Amphibious forces, By forcing reliance on unsupported, thin skinned lightly armed AAV-7A1's like the 52 now being bought by the Japanese, better armed and armored IFV's like the M2 Bradley or Japanese Type 89 IFV lack Amphibious capability the brad having lost it with improvements in protection the 89 never having it. the next closets in class the American LAV 25 is rated for river fording and then only some of them as upgraded versions lost that due to weight gains made as a result of Iraq and Afghanistan IED threats.
this means that both the Usmc and JSDF are and will be reliant upon landing craft to deploy there vehicles.
 
Blitzo

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Jeff Head said:
My real aim was taking a look at a true Blue Water comparison...in which case the Type 72s would not come into play. Clearly for any use of forces in terms of sea lift to SCS or other islands, they would be an important asset.
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I see, although I believe the 072s have the displacement to do blue water missions, even if it will stretch them (for instance the Royal Navy logistics round table class LST participated in the Falklands)
Also, the list includes the 056s, which are obviously not blue water assets, so I think omitting the 072s are a bit strange — especially since there are like over twenty two of them!


But that's just a small quibble :)
 
Jeff Head

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Bltizo said:
I see, although I believe the 072s have the displacement to do blue water missions, even if it will stretch them (for instance the Royal Navy logistics round table class LST participated in the Falklands)
Also, the list includes the 056s, which are obviously not blue water assets, so I think omitting the 072s are a bit strange — especially since there are like over twenty two of them!


But that's just a small quibble :)
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There is a separate column I have for the Blue Water ops, where I take the Type 056s out.

As to the Type 072s, I was not going to include any Amphibs to begin with because they would not be involved in any surface fighting between the navies. Bu then I decided to go ahead and include both side's flat deck LPDs.
 
asif iqbal

asif iqbal

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advill said:
The number of ships will be dependent on the Defense Budget of the specific country. UK is facing really big defense cuts, much to the consternation of the RN. Japan has the cash to expand its Navy, and likewise China's PLA-N. I just wonder what could happen to the strength of the USN when there are further cuts to the Navy's budget. Perhaps clever spending on development of maritime hi-technology could be a possible answer; i.e. with reduction of manpower on board high-tech modern ships. Also, the use of Naval Volunteer Reservists to supplement permanent career officers & sailors could be further encouraged in the Service.

I recently edited a book which was launched in KL, Malaysia on 27 Nov 2013 entitled: "Naval Reservists in Action ...." where officers and ratings were mobilized for service and saw action/also involved in evacuation in the Far East during WW II (HK, Singapore, Malaya, Burma etc.) against the Imperial Japanese Forces, and also during the hostilities of 1963-1966. Reservists can be as good as the regulars if trained. In the words of the British P.M. Churchill during WW II commenting on the RNVR vis-a-vis the Battle of the Atlantic, he said: "The Reservists is twice the citizen".
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I believe reservist are good for when a actual war is on, don't get me wrong they are good forces to have and I agree

However in peace time you need to excercise the forces of deterrence, a UK task force prevented a war in the Gulf in 1971 so I really believe deterrence is a very good policy and it does work just look at the Pakistan and India issue both have nukes so it prevented a war in 1999, 2002 and 2008 although both forces did engage in small scale battles

See the thing with deterrence is that against a sane and normal government it works, sensible people get the message and for that to happen to you need a very highly trained and very highly well equipped military force

So when people see it they think twice about doing anything silly, that is why you need frontline officers doing the business

But yes in war time everything counts but for peace time not so much
 
Jura The idiot

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Guys I've got some interesting pictures of Akizuki-class DDG (like of its Engine Control Room:
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) but the thread 'JMSDF Akizuki Class DDG (19DD AEGIS-like)' seems to be gone :-( Is it, Jeff, please?
 
SamuraiBlue

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How about this?

Japan, Russia considering strengthened defense ties

Japan and Russia are considering various expansions and strengthening of the current agreements both countries have on the defense side, this according to Japanese government sources. If the boosting of defense agreements between Tokyo and Moscow happens, it may mean at the very least that the defense ministers from both nations will be seeing each other more often in regular visits...... To read further
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日本HNK电视台报道，北京时间1月15日早7时，日本海上自卫队两栖登陆舰大隅号，在日本濑户内海靠近广岛附近和渔船相撞。目前被撞渔船已经倾覆并接近沉没，而大隅号的损伤情况不明。大隅号两栖登陆舰排水量8900吨，1998年服役，具备全通飞行甲板和登陆艇用船坞。

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Japan HNK television reported that Beijing January 15 7:00 earlier, the Japanese Maritime Self-Defense Force amphibious landing ship Osumi number, in the Seto Inland Sea near Hiroshima, Japan and fishing boats collided near. Currently boats have capsized and nearly knocked sank, while injury Osumi number is unknown. Osumi amphibious landing ship displacement of 8900 tons, 1998 in service, with full use through the flight deck and dock landing craft.
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