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This is the Japanese Military News thread. Japan is increasing its military outlays by a modest 3% and depending on bonds to help pay for it. Talking about that increase and what they are planning to buy is on topic.
Doing so is not a reason to threaten or imply a trade/economic war, or indicate that because China holds some of Japan's bonds that it can sink the Japanese eocnomy. It takes the thread completely off topic.
We have a thread about how economies can effect military matters. If you want to go into detail on such matters, whicle keepoing it civil (which this discussion clearly is showing a tendancy to get less and less civil), take the discussion there.
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TerraN_EmpirE
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I am wondering how this increase in infantry is going to go down interns of equipment for infantry. The SDF is not exactly as active in gear but they have one or two makers who dabble in kit, they also have access to American and European makers.
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kwaigonegin
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I think pound for pound or should I say ton for ton, the JMSDF especially their surface fleet is probably the most capable and balanced naval force in the world. I dare say even more capable than the USN from that standpoint!
Well, there is absolutely no doubt that they ar very squared away...and very, very capable and trained. They also have a very long and rich naval tradition, and a lot of pride in it.
Very well equipped, very well trained, and very high moral force.
I did a comparison over the last 20 years or so of major "modern" combatants between the PLAN and the JMSDF. The PLAN has caught up with and passed the JMSDF in terms of pure numbers and tonnage...although they are still close in what they could bring to a true blue water fight.
But the PLAN's force is relatively young with these larger vessels and blue water formations and strategies. That can make all the difference in the world.
For grin's sake I threw in what the US Pacific Fleet could have available in terms of vessels and tonnage too.
Here's a link to that analysis:
Excellent comparison, Jeff!
Although, I don't think the various 072 LST variants should be omitted, because their 4000-5000 displacement, and the fact that there are over two dozen of them, make them a force to be reckoned with regionally (and to an extent in blue water, for instance the Royal Navy deployed a fair number of similar sized LSTs for the falklands). (I also think your listed 071 displacement is a few thousand short, but that's only a minor detail!)
It would also be nice to include the number of AORs both sides have, given their importance in blue water operations.
It will sure be interesting to see how the lists stack up ten years from now. Of course, given the JSDF's openness in procurement, we can more or less guess the additional ships they'll have by 2023, the big question mark floats over the PLAN!
My real aim was taking a look at a true Blue Water comparison...in which case the Type 72s would not come into play. Clearly for any use of forces in terms of sea lift to SCS or other islands, they would be an important asset.
I think in the longer term, the JMSDF will continue to build modern vessels of various classes. I do not think they will be able to keep pace with the PLAN in terms of numbers of DDGs or FFGs. They may end up with a similar number of smaller CVH tyoe carriers that would be capable of STOVL aircraft...but will not have the same type of large STOBAR and ultimately CATOBAR carriers the PLAN will have.
Right now, next to the US, the JMSDF is the most powerful destroyer navy on the planet, but the PLAN is rapidly catching up and will surpass them in terms of numbers, and then tonnage in the next 6-8 years.
As it stands, the PLAN is clearly the largest and most powerful FFG navy in the world, including larger in terms of numbers and tonnage in that category than the US Navy. But the US Navy essentially stopped building FFGs after the OHP Class and has been building DDGs ever since. As a result, the US Navy cpuld bring more DDGs to the fore as the PLAN can bring DDGs and FFGs combined.
In terms of total numbers, it is clear that right now, the PLAN has, in terms of numbers of modern vessels and tonnage, achieved a rank of second largest in the world next to the US Navy. They are not too far ahead of the JMSDF, and the JMSDF's experience level would probably make the difference for the next 5 years or so. But after that, the growing experience level of the PLAN, and the continued rise in the disparity of numbers and tonnage, will eclipse that advantage too.
antiterror13
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"Japan's defence budget places premium on airpower
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By: GREG WALDRON SINGAPORE 21 hours ago Source: Flight
The Japanese defence ministry has called for a 3% rise in spending for 2014, with its proposed budget placing an emphasis on improving the nation’s airpower.
For the 12 months from April 2014, the ministry is calling for yen (Y) 4.8 trillion ($46 billion), compared with Y4.6 trillion in its 2013 budget.
The budget request comes amid a time of rising tensions with China over rival claims about a handful of tiny islands in the East China Sea. The islands are claimed by both countries, although Japan administers them ......... "
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it is not really a 3% rise, in fact it downs significantly (in US$)
in early 2013 1 US$ = 83 and now 105 (and it keeps rising)
so it means in 2013 budget Y4.6T means US$55B
in 2014 budget Y4.8T means US$46B
we can say it downs by US$9B or roughly 16%
remember it is very relevant as JMSDF buy a lot of weapons from the US
wowww, I'd expect Chinese defence budget in 2014 would be ~ $130B (official or $175B unofficial) or roughly 2.8 to 3.8x JMSDF budget
and in PPP the ratio would be even higher, perhaps as high as 6-7x.... remember China' weapon mosly produced locally
"Japan's defence budget places premium on airpower
By: GREG WALDRON SINGAPORE 21 hours ago Source: Flight
The Japanese defence ministry has called for a 3% rise in spending for 2014, with its proposed budget placing an emphasis on improving the nation’s airpower.
For the 12 months from April 2014, the ministry is calling for yen (Y) 4.8 trillion ($46 billion), compared with Y4.6 trillion in its 2013 budget.
The budget request comes amid a time of rising tensions with China over rival claims about a handful of tiny islands in the East China Sea. The islands are claimed by both countries, although Japan administers them ......... "
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it is not really a 3% rise, in fact it downs significantly (in US$)
in early 2013 1 US$ = 83 and now 105 (and it keeps rising)
so it means in 2013 budget Y4.6T means US$55B
in 2014 budget Y4.8T means US$46B
we can say it downs by US$9B or roughly 16%
remember it is very relevant as JMSDF buy a lot of weapons from the US
wowww, I'd expect Chinese defence budget in 2014 would be ~ $130B (official or $175B unofficial) or roughly 2.8 to 3.8x JMSDF budget
and in PPP the ratio would be even higher, perhaps as high as 6-7x.... remember China' weapon mosly produced locally
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TerraN_EmpirE
Tyrant King
Already posted this story with a pic I found of a F15 sporting a awesome paint job