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Bhurki

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bd popeye said:
from wiki...

P-1 MPA Armament
  • Hardpoints: 8 (2x on each wing and 2x on each wing root) and eight internal bomb bay stations with a capacity of 9,000 kg (19,842 lb) +,with provisions to carry combinations of:
    • Missiles:
    • Bombs:
    • Other:
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I'm aware of the 8 external points,
2 on the wing root and 1 on the wing closer to the fuselage are rated at 2000 lbs, not sure about the outer ones.
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I had problem understanding the bomb bay configuration since its described as having 8 points.
They may be staggered and so utlization of half of them may be restricted. Or it could have a rotary launcher.
 
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Rettam Stacf said:
The F-2 program was a necessary step in the learning curve and the entry price to pay for Japan to become a serious player in fighter jet development. Among all the aspirants like India, Turkey, S. Korea etc., Japan has the greatest chance of success because of her F-2 program.
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For a learning curve it was unnecessarily expensive and if anything is a classic textbook of not how to build a fighter. And I will not pooh pooh on South Korea just yet with their T-50 fighter which while is a trainer has more measure of success for a fighter with a correspondingly balanced price tag that was not based of any preexisting fighter.
 
TerraN_EmpirE

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It’s a step up in a few areas. However the biggest issue for Japanese Defense programs is the JSDF Prime Directive so to speak.
Because The SDF want indigenous production capacity but are bared from expert the number of production end up being low and often highly highly specialized. So the tooling and assembly of a product whether licensed or totally indigenous ends up costing higher than it would vs a straight import. This applies from Rifles to Fighter jets. Where Japanese industry has occasionally tried t mitigate this is with civil export. But well that would work for say a Subaru, Bell helicopter and the UH-X that runs into a problem when you get more tactical weapons.
 
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ougoah

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F2 did indeed provide Japan with the backend manufacturing and development boost to take it's military aviation industry into the 21st century. It's expensive due to limited quantities but the payoff isn't onboard the F2. It's the equipment developed to build it and cultivating a generation of professionals.
 
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F2 was the first plane ever to utilize Carbon composite material.
No plane neither commercial nor military had every used it in vast quantity like the F2 so Japan had to develop the molding process, how to fasten it with other material as well as evaluate breaking limits and so on. The R&D for this had a huge price tag on it in which the US took it as free lunch.

F-2 can carry a heavier payload. making it an ideal platform for the ASM-3
 
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ougoah

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SamuraiBlue said:
F2 was the first plane ever to utilize Carbon composite material.
No plane neither commercial nor military had every used it in vast quantity like the F2 so Japan had to develop the molding process, how to fasten it with other material as well as evaluate breaking limits and so on. The R&D for this had a huge price tag on it in which the US took it as free lunch.

F-2 can carry a heavier payload. making it an ideal platform for the ASM-3
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Not to mention developing airborne AESA.

If the F-2 project was a Chinese one, everyone would be saying it's a copy or stolen technology despite J-10 also being initially based off the basic aerodynamics from the Lavi (personal opinion) but serving as a development ground for the domestic industry that is involved in design, manufacturing, and testing of all related components and peripheral equipment.

IIRC Japan also operate F-16A. Not sure if purchases were before or after F-2 but seeing as they were A models, probably before. I remember reading the F-2 project was stifled because the Americans offered alternatives... or perhaps getting confused with Taiwanese FCK-1.
 
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ougoah

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TerraN_EmpirE said:
ah no they don’t the JASDF has never operated F16 save for the F2. The USAF operating in Japan has. Early on it was thought that the Japanese would, it was even early on thought F2 would be called F16J but in the end it got the F2.
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Ahh okay fair enough. I thought they did from a quick check on wiki but may have misread or it's falsely attributed to Japanese when they are American. Surprised the JSDF have not upgraded the F-2 yet and purchased more.
 
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Japan has been running some upgrades but buying more is out of the question. Besides then came F35A. The F2 was based in part off the F16 Agile Falcon which was created as an alternative pitch to the JSF program. Of course the US launched JSF and so you get F35. When Japan saw what was coming and decided to buy in on F35 they ended up with two fighters that will do similar jobs. One a fifth gen the other a 4.5 gen.
 
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ougoah

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Yeah it's too late now but one wonders what really stopped them from perfecting J/APG-1 and buying hundreds of F-2s. Certainly would have kept the price lower and seems to offer the perfect range for JSDF needs.
 
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