Re: Japan's military build-up
This only works on the assumption that combat operations would only ever last a few weeks at best, but the very moment things start taking as long as fighting in Libya or Syria things would turn pear shaped very quickly for the Japanese, especially as aviation and nuke subs from other forces arrive in theater and replacement units come online, and would only get worse as time passes.
Well, we disagree.
I think the Japanese planners are well prepared for a protracted maritime conflict. It is what they have been preparoing for for 3+ decades. Any new Russian vessels must get there, and to do so, they will have tpo pass a guantlet waiting for them.
If this were an all out war of one nation trying to defeat and the other entirely, you would be correct in an individual Russian vs Japanese conflict...but even then it would not be a mop up. it would take a lot of time...and it is not going to stay a Russia vs Japan conflict in that case anyway. The US has a mutal defense treaty with Japan.
muddie said:
Japan's navy is very well built, it does have excellent ships and good training. But training does not equal wartime experience. Japan may have a newer navy than Russia but can it actually defeat combined Russian forces? I don't even think the US itself can say that the Russian Navy is an easy foe especially considering the geographical situation of Japan to Russia. .
The comparison is mnot just "on parper." As I said, their maintenance, their training, and their operations, which happen in the real world, are all superior.
As to combat experience, the same can be said for the Russians.
Any likely conflict is not going to be an all out war to try and defeat the entire nation. it will most likely be a skirmish over some islands which may last anywhere from a few days, to a few weeks, and max out at a few months...but none of those scenarios (except perhaps the first one) will be constant conflict.
thunderchief said:
As we can see from your list , JMSDF was and still is over-sized ASW force . They rely on USN to provide air cover .
Which happ[ens to be the strongest card the Russian Navy has to play.
The only way that Russia beats Japan is in a protratced all out war in which they desire to defeat the entire nation. No conflict like that is likely, and if it did occurr, it would not remain just a Russian vs Japan affiar.
Sorry but for any likely scenario, I do nt believe at all that the russians would have a "mop up" in any maritime sense of the JMSDF.
Now, I nevcer said it would be easy for Japan either.
equation said:
Before or after a suppose enemy nuke them? Remember it only takes minutes for an ICBM to hit it's targets.
What? Are you proposing or suggesting a first strike nuclear attack against Japan? if that were to happen, then of course the Japanese would not have time to develop anything...but that also presumes they have not already developed a counter stike capability. I would not rule that out in the least.
In addition, such an attack would send the world into a nuclear war.
equation said:
sting that the US is simply protecting the terrorists and perpetrators of genocide to live and die in Japan that commit such atrocities without facing any justice? All for trying to contain "Communism" (China)? .
Never suggested anything of the sort.
It sounds like you want the current Japanese people to pay for what their grandfather's did. The current people in Japan did not do that, no, IMHO,r would they. Asking someone to pay for a couple of generations or more old occurances is just simply a zero-sum game. No one wins, because then you have constant warfare and constant revenge for the ills of the attackers who are trying to avenge the ills of the earlier attackers and so forth ad infinitum.
What I am saying is that the Japanes nation right now is an ally of the United States. There are many reasons for it, but it is the way things stack up right now. Short of the Japanese doing something very, very foolish in the present time frame...I expect that alliance will continue for the forseable future, and it has absolutely nothing whatsoever to do with any nonsense of the US protecting terrorists and perpetrators of genocide.
That's just you wanting to punish these people for what happened back then. And while I can understand the sentiment...realize that all of those people who did such things in the 1930s and 1940s are dead. IN addition, back then, at the time from 1944 through 1945, the US exacted a very stiff price indeed from all of the Japanese and humbled them to the dirt because of the war they perpetrated at that time.
As I said before , I doubt that China , Russia , NK and maybe even SK would suffer nuclear Japan . Given the recent past , there is a strong chance they would unite against such threat . And last but not least , China has officially declared that Taiwan armed with nuclear weapons would be casus belli for them .
