Japan Military News, Reports, Data, etc.

Jeff Head · Apr 13, 2019

Equation said:
Calm down US made stealth fighters fan bois. Imagine if this was happening to China J-20 or F/C-31 program you would be ALL over it with questions about inferior design, engine, pilot, and programs. The western media would use that opportunity to spout and project their hatred narrative towards Communist China isn't any good compare to the "democratic West" and that China could NEVER be able to match or compete at the high level.

That's simply not true my friend.

The J-20 is a cutting edge aircraft, and the F/C-31 even more o (not cutting edge, but more suseptible because she has not gotten the funds to do the testing that is hapening with the J-20).

All of these programs suffer difficulties. Heck, F/A-18E/Fs crash from time to time now, after all the flight hours and testing they have had.

Flying high performance military aircraft is dangerous business...even for the ones that everyone knows are in great shape.

The F-35 is being increased in more and more numbers and more and more testing. Right now, for its lief time at this stage, it is the most tested aircraft in the world.

But it is also very utting edge, particularly the Bravo with all of its added capabilities and tehnical capabilites it had to overome to get where it is and still be VTOL/VSTOL.

It's a dangerous business and has nothing to do with being some kind of fan boi.

I have worked personally on these defense projects and can tell you that every bit of what I just said is true.

There's no need to make the death of this young person such a political pinching bag.

He was oing something dangerous for his country and was no doubt very proud to have been selected for the position...and probably had earned every bit iof it.

Tragically, something somewher went wrong...and with high perfrmance military equipment that can happen almost any time and with systems that are very proven.

It is a dangerous business...but aalso a necessary one.

Jura The idiot · Apr 13, 2019

interestingly,
Defense Ministry: F35A had 2 emergency landings
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Japan's Defense Ministry says an F35A fighter jet that crashed into the sea off northern Japan on Tuesday had made two emergency landings in the last two years.

State Minister of Defense Kenji Harada was speaking at a Lower House committee meeting on Thursday.

The minister referred to a test flight by US manufacturer Lockheed Martin in June, 2017, before Japan deployed the aircraft. He said the flight was aborted after a cooling system alert.

The minister said the manufacturer found faults in the system and replaced the defective parts before delivering the jet to the defense ministry.

A ministry official also said at the committee meeting that while the same aircraft was flying in bad weather last August, there was a malfunction in the position indicator.

The Defense Ministry says the defective parts were replaced.

The Air Self-Defense Force began deploying F35A jets at its Misawa base in Aomori Prefecture, northern Japan, in January last year.

The ministry official told NHK that it's not known whether the two incidents were linked to Tuesday's crash.

Mohsin77 · Apr 13, 2019

Jeff Head said:
... the disrespect for the dead pilot and his family and fellow countrymen.

That's a strawman. No one here disrespected the Japanese pilot.

As I have said many times, this aircraft will be the most produced and the most used and most capable 5th generation strike aircraft that will ever be produced.

This hypothesis will be tested, very publicly, in the coming years. But this year, the verdict from your own government run and independent watchdog agencies was the following:

From the DOT&E report: "The trend in fleet availability has been flat over the past three years; the program’s reliability improvement initiatives are still not translating into improved availability."
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Commentary on the above report from POGO: "For as much as the 2018 report from the Director of Operational Test and Evaluation (DOT&E) reveals about the F-35’s lack of progress in nearly every essential area, it is markedly less transparent than previous reports. It provides no updates on the crippling deficiencies highlighted in previous years, reports far fewer findings critical of the program than earlier reports, and contains almost no quantitative results on the F-35’s most urgent problems. The report omits any mention of the program’s fully mission capable rate—let alone the Navy version’s—which is the most significant measure of whether a fighter force is ready to show up for combat."
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So let's wait and see if these reports improve in the coming years. But until they do, you will have to deal with the criticism without reactively demonizing the opposition.

Here's hoping Trump gets a second term

Amen! Finally some common ground

and I say this as a firm opponent of 'the West' lolz.

J Smith · Apr 13, 2019

Can't we all just get along?

Deleted member 13312 · Apr 13, 2019

It is as Jeff said, far to early to call the F-35 a lemon due to the results of a single crash. With so many copies in service, the service to crash ratio of the F-35 is exemplary. While the US Government watchdog does publish reports that highlights the short comings of the F-35, it is to be remembered that it is currently THE ONLY INDEPENDENT watchdog that is actually candid and honest about the F-35. To paint the F-35 as a failure based on these reports it to ignore the equally damming fact that China and Russia do not have such a body to verify their respective 6th gen fighters, thus forcing viewers to take every single statement they say with a huge pinch of salt.

The F-35 has its problems, that I concur, from the start till the finish. But those indulging in schadenfreude should do well to remember that the Su-57, J-20 and the FC-31 has not been subjected to such a scrutiny as the F-35 has.

(P.S: Even the Su-57 has had a flame out and it was still in the damn prototype stages too)

siegecrossbow · Apr 13, 2019

Viktor Jav said:
It is as Jeff said, far to early to call the F-35 a lemon due to the results of a single crash. With so many copies in service, the service to crash ratio of the F-35 is exemplary. While the US Government watchdog does publish reports that highlights the short comings of the F-35, it is to be remembered that it is currently THE ONLY INDEPENDENT watchdog that is actually candid and honest about the F-35. To paint the F-35 as a failure based on these reports it to ignore the equally damming fact that China and Russia do not have such a body to verify their respective 6th gen fighters, thus forcing viewers to take every single statement they say with a huge pinch of salt.

The F-35 has its problems, that I concur, from the start till the finish. But those indulging in schadenfreude should do well to remember that the Su-57, J-20 and the FC-31 has not been subjected to such a scrutiny as the F-35 has.

Agreed. You have to keep in mind that there has only been one F-35A crash out of several hundred aircraft currently in service. Even the F-22 has a higher crash rate compared with the F-35.

Air Force Brat · Apr 13, 2019

Jeff Head said:
That's simply not true my friend.

The J-20 is a cutting edge aircraft, and the F/C-31 even more o (not cutting edge, but more suseptible because she has not gotten the funds to do the testing that is hapening with the J-20).

All of these programs suffer difficulties. Heck, F/A-18E/Fs crash from time to time now, after all the flight hours and testing they have had.

Flying high performance military aircraft is dangerous business...even for the ones that everyone knows are in great shape.

The F-35 is being increased in more and more numbers and more and more testing. Right now, for its lief time at this stage, it is the most tested aircraft in the world.

But it is also very utting edge, particularly the Bravo with all of its added capabilities and tehnical capabilites it had to overome to get where it is and still be VTOL/VSTOL.

It's a dangerous business and has nothing to do with being some kind of fan boi.

I have worked personally on these defense projects and can tell you that every bit of what I just said is true.

There's no need to make the death of this young person such a political pinching bag.

He was oing something dangerous for his country and was no doubt very proud to have been selected for the position...and probably had earned every bit iof it.

Tragically, something somewher went wrong...and with high perfrmance military equipment that can happen almost any time and with systems that are very proven.

It is a dangerous business...but aalso a necessary one.

absolutely very dangerous, and he called the mission and that was his last transmission, that tells us all something, as I said, he more than likely "lost his horizon" , had it been engine failure there would have been multiple distress calls, we know it was not a low level mission, but from 30,000 ft to sea level is about 3 heartbeats.....

Jura The idiot · Apr 13, 2019

Viktor Jav said:
It is as Jeff said, far to early to call the F-35 a lemon due to the results of a single crash. With so many copies in service, the service to crash ratio of the F-35 is exemplary. While the US Government watchdog does publish reports that highlights the short comings of the F-35, it is to be remembered that it is currently THE ONLY INDEPENDENT watchdog that is actually candid and honest about the F-35. To paint the F-35 as a failure based on these reports it to ignore the equally damming fact that China and Russia do not have such a body to verify their respective 6th gen fighters, thus forcing viewers to take every single statement they say with a huge pinch of salt.

The F-35 has its problems, that I concur, from the start till the finish. But those indulging in schadenfreude should do well to remember that the Su-57, J-20 and the FC-31 has not been subjected to such a scrutiny as the F-35 has.

issues of Russian, Chinese aircraft have nothing to do with F-35 issues!

egregious delays, cost overruns, "interesting" sustainment
May 5, 2018

Jura said:
Tuesday at 8:54 AM
and it's actually interesting to read the official (I know there's a summary Tuesday at 8:57 AM) ... what one bil and almost a half buys you, for less than three-hundred aircraft, until April of next year:

Contracts
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Release No: CR-080-18
April 30, 2018

NAVY
Lockheed Martin Corp., Lockheed Martin Aeronautics Co., Fort Worth, Texas, is awarded a $1,421,735,530 cost-plus-incentive-fee contract for recurring logistics services for delivered F-35 Lightning II Joint Strike Fighter air systems in support of the Air Force, Marine Corps, Navy, non-Department of Defense (DoD) participants, and foreign military sales (FMS) customers. Services to be provided include ground maintenance activities; action request resolution; depot activation activities; Automatic Logistics Information System operations and maintenance; reliability, maintainability and health management implementation and support; supply chain management; and activities to provide and support pilot and maintainer initial training. Work will be performed in Fort Worth, Texas (62 percent); Orlando, Florida (22 percent); Greenville, South Carolina (7 percent); Warton, United Kingdom (5 percent); and Redondo Beach, California (4 percent), and is expected to be completed in April 2019. Fiscal 2018 operations and maintenance (Air Force, Marine Corps, and Navy); fiscal 2018 aircraft procurement (Air Force, Marine Corps, and Navy); non-DoD participant; and FMS funds in the amount of $1,403,206,015 will be obligated at time of award; $845,359,517 of which will expire at the end of the current fiscal year. This contract combines purchases for the Air Force ($598,147,885; 42.07 percent); Marine Corps ($261,767,508; 18.41 percent); Navy ($174,668,435; 12.29 percent); non-DoD participants ($284,481,973; 20.01 percent); and FMS customers ($102,669,729, 7.22 percent). This contract was not competitively procured pursuant to 10 U.S. Code 2304(c)(1). The Naval Air Systems Command, Patuxent River, Maryland, is the contracting activity.

etc. of the F-35 wouldn't be solved even if Russian, Chinese aircraft were lemon, would it? LOL

Deleted member 13312 · Apr 13, 2019

Jura said:
issues of Russian, Chinese aircraft have nothing to do with F-35 issues!

egregious delays, cost overruns, "interesting" sustainment
May 5, 2018

etc. of the F-35 wouldn't be solved even if Russian, Chinese aircraft were lemon, would it? LOL

And yet I am willing to bet that if the US decided to do a China or Russia with the F-35. None of us would be ever the wiser about the F-35's issues right ? Regardless of whatever problems the F-35 would face at present and future. The Japan crash figures the least on the charts, as there was a single fighter had a flawless track record before hand.

Jura I know you got a beef with the F-35, but trying to pin the Japanese F-35 crash as a failure on the overall project is stretching the jaw a bit wide. Prices aside, the F-35 logistics and maintenance are the purview of the suppliers, even if the supplier that is LM is to overcharge that did be on LM, not on any fault of the F-35. My main beef is the seedy military industrial complex of the US. Product wise the US still turns up ok items. While people likes to cite the J-20's 110 mil price tag as proof that these fighters are coming on cheaper than the F-35, the fact is that these are just the price tags for the fighter itself. Again China or Russia has not deign to present the public at large of how much the J-20 and Su-57 are projected to cost over the span of their service. So we have no way to compare whether the F-35 is that egregiously over priced. Nor has Chengdu or Sukhoi made any full disclosure on whether there was any costs overruns or delays for their respective planes.

Insofar the main issue is that the current US budget has problem swallowing the F-35's price tag alongside all its other commitments, if it could no one would be chirping out the F-35's price.

Jura The idiot · Apr 13, 2019

Viktor Jav said:
And yet I am willing to bet that if the US decided to do a China or Russia with the F-35. None of us would be ever the wiser about the F-35's issues right ? Regardless of whatever problems the F-35 would face at present and future. The Japan crash figures the least on the charts, as there was a single fighter had a flawless track record before hand.

Jura I know you got a beef with the F-35, but trying to pin the Japanese F-35 crash as a failure on the overall project is stretching the jaw a bit wide. Prices aside, the F-35 logistics and maintenance are the purview of the suppliers, even if the supplier that is LM is to overcharge that did be on LM, not on any fault of the F-35. My main beef is the seedy military industrial complex of the US. Product wise the US still turns up ok items. While people likes to cite the J-20's 110 mil price tag as proof that these fighters are coming on cheaper than the F-35, the fact is that these are just the price tags for the fighter itself. Again China or Russia has not deign to present the public at large of how much the J-20 and Su-57 are projected to cost over the span of their service. So we have no way to compare whether the F-35 is that egregiously over priced. Nor has Chengdu or Sukhoi made any full disclosure on whether there was any costs overruns or delays for their respective planes.

Insofar the main issue is that the current US budget has problem swallowing the F-35's price tag alongside all its other commitments, if it could no one would be chirping out the F-35's price.

your verbiage hasn't fixed the F-35 issues

it's whateaboutery to pull Russian, Chinese aircraft here

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