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taxiya

Brigadier
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90 億 Yen, that is 9 billion Yen
開発: (Research &) Development
新艦対空誘導弾: New Ship to Air Missile.
No specifics about name, type or base/template/origin of the proposed missile.

The budget report is annual, so without any other information (I don't speak Japanese) the default guessing would be 9 billion Yen for development work.
 

SamuraiBlue

Captain
90 億 Yen, that is 9 billion Yen
開発: (Research &) Development
新艦対空誘導弾: New Ship to Air Missile.
No specifics about name, type or base/template/origin of the proposed missile.

90 million US dollar can't do much in terms of R&D and is not enough to make anything from scratch.
The only SAM system within the Japanese arsenal that has the range equivalent to ESSM is the type 03 medium range surface to air missile.
Beside if you read my original post you'll see I wrote a rumor (non confirmed information, etc.). The only thing I can say is that there is an actual project to replace the ESSM.
 

SamuraiBlue

Captain
Essentially making any YF-23 derivative subjected to US governmental approval. The chance of a revived YF-23 is equal to a F-22 sale.

No it is actually a few notch lower since it is only the air frame and not the entire system which will be developed separately by Japan.
It will be a US-Japan joint project but the US only requires to provide the schematics to recuperate the original cost making it a win-win project for both parties.
 

Air Force Brat

Brigadier
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Essentially making any YF-23 derivative subjected to US governmental approval. The chance of a revived YF-23 is equal to a F-22 sale.

So if Japan had an interest in the YF-23, (we know they do, since they are working very hard to field an indigenous 5 gen), under the Trump administration, (President Elect Trump has already stated for the record that Japan needed to do more for its own defense), so anything is possible in this new administration, including the rebirth of the F-22, (if the Japanese were willing to help with development and manufacture?) or even the introduction of the resurrection of the YF-23.

The world is a much more dangerous and threatening place since the F-22 production has ended, in fact these changes were coming before, but poor old Bob Gates could have never admitted that he couldn't read the tea leaves??? Heh! Heh! Long story short, the F-22 or YF-23 would fit into our "use what you have in a system of systems??".

Can you say 6 gen??
 

Jeff Head

General
Registered Member
I am also hearing some people say Japan may join up with Boeing and resurrect the YF-23 design and develop the F-3 based on those designs.
Japan will develop a new engine, new radar systems, etc. but is said to adopt the YF-23 design as a basis.
Would be interesting if Japan actually comes through with this idea.
I'd love to see it happen.

Perhaps the US and Japan ould come up with a mutual design that the US could use too.

It's not like Japan does not ask for and get certain openinging to place their own developments into US designs they buy already.

This new F-23 would be a GREAT dela!
 

taxiya

Brigadier
Registered Member
So if Japan had an interest in the YF-23, (we know they do, since they are working very hard to field an indigenous 5 gen), under the Trump administration, (President Elect Trump has already stated for the record that Japan needed to do more for its own defense), so anything is possible in this new administration, including the rebirth of the F-22, (if the Japanese were willing to help with development and manufacture?) or even the introduction of the resurrection of the YF-23.

The world is a much more dangerous and threatening place since the F-22 production has ended, in fact these changes were coming before, but poor old Bob Gates could have never admitted that he couldn't read the tea leaves??? Heh! Heh! Long story short, the F-22 or YF-23 would fit into our "use what you have in a system of systems??".

Can you say 6 gen??
I take that you agree with me about the "chance being equal". It was equally slim, after Trump go to the white house, it may be equally bigger.
 

taxiya

Brigadier
Registered Member
No it is actually a few notch lower since it is only the air frame and not the entire system which will be developed separately by Japan.
It will be a US-Japan joint project but the US only requires to provide the schematics to recuperate the original cost making it a win-win project for both parties.
Which one's chance is lower?

I guess you mean the F-22 sale is lower from reading your second paragraph.

Anyways, so far it is a rumor, let's revisit it when we hear something openly spoken by Boeing or Defense Department/Ministry.
 

taxiya

Brigadier
Registered Member
90 million US dollar can't do much in terms of R&D and is not enough to make anything from scratch.
The only SAM system within the Japanese arsenal that has the range equivalent to ESSM is the type 03 medium range surface to air missile.
Beside if you read my original post you'll see I wrote a rumor (non confirmed information, etc.). The only thing I can say is that there is an actual project to replace the ESSM.
I was only translating the report to Jura as he asked. I was not accusing you anything.

Yes, that amount of money is not enough, but as the report is an annual report meaning the 90 million USD is only a year's budget, nothing strange with it.
 

Jeff Head

General
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I will be posting my thread for the 1/350 scale Akizuki DDG this week that I am finishing tomorrow. I ended up doing the 116, Teruzuki.

Here's one pic near completion. Very detailed...very fun to build over the last several weeks:

DDG115-075.JPG

I will include some pics of my full JMSDF task force, all in 1/350 scale:.

DDH-181 Hyuga
DDG-116 Teruzuki
DDG-173 Kongo
DDG-177 Atago
DDG-110 Takanami
S503 Hakuryu

It's one heck of a nice, and very strong and capable task force. Really looks nice together.

I had been waiting for a 1/350 scale Akizuki and now I have her.

My next wait for the JMSDF is for one of the 1/350 scale Izumo class!

Also waiting for 1/350 scale of:

Zumwalt (Which I will build the Monsoor)
Ford (which I will build the Enterprise)
Queen Elizabeth (Which I will b uild the PoW)
Block V Virginia
FREMM
Type 55

Lots to wait for.
 
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