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SamuraiBlue

Captain
I was wondering about the Japanese words "後方" (backend) and "信号射撃" (shoot tracer round).

You translation is that JASDF pilot tried to line up with PLAAF fighter. I understand line-up means to put the two jets in parallel, not at one's backend (後方). So I am still wondering who was trying to go to whose backend? Doing so is aggressive, isn't it? Can you answer this?

The reason that I replied to your post was because it was only a part of what I gathered from Japanese media report, especially because your first post did not mention the keyword "backend". Until that is clear, I don't know whether I correctly implied something or misunderstood you.

You left a lot of the full event compared with the Japanese news report. If you wrote your post off your memory, then you failed to gather the full event. Either way, left out or fail to, the end result looks the same. That is maybe why you think I am implying something.

Here is a vid giving a detailed explanation on how JASDF carries out a scramble launch intercepting a incoming.


Basically they were given plenty of warning before making further maneuver to fly beside.
 

AndrewS

Brigadier
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The official statement from the Chinese MOD is that the Japanese F-15s were lighting up their fire control radars.

If that wasn't the case, shouldn't the Japanese government be denying this happened, instead of trying to play down the entire situation? And did the Japanese newspaper report that the Japanese pilot was going to fire "tracer rounds"?

I can see how this why this is happening though, as China is making a statement that its airplanes will keep pushing, and will simply push harder the more that Japan keeps trying to defy China.

Plus the Japanese fighter pilots in Okinawa are being run ragged and the planes are being worn out, so it shouldn't be surprising they make mistakes or become more desperate.

That is based on the sheer number of scrambles taking place, which is partly due to how much larger the Chinese Air Force is, but also how the Japanese ADIZ and the Senkaku/Diaoyu Islands runs way closer to the Chinese mainland than to the Japanese Home Islands.

Plus there was a comment from SB about another this potentially being another Hainan Island incident, but based on what we know, it would have been more similar to the previous Senkaku/Diaoyu Islands incidents.

And in those incidents, Japan came off way worse than China did.

Eg. The diplomatic shock and awe campaign that China launched against Japan.
Or Japanese companies being shut out of China, so there was a recession in Japan whilst the Chinese economy actually grew faster from domestic production.
 
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SamuraiBlue

Captain
Plane that does scramble launch are not armed with mid/long range radar guided missiles since they are to intercept approaching craft and give warning at a moment notice taking too much time to check various missiles so they are limited to short range type 90 IR seeking missiles.
So being lighted up doesn't make sense since the missiles aren't radar guided missiles in the first place.
 

AndrewS

Brigadier
Registered Member
@SamuraiBlue

On the Japanese F-15s being pre-authorised to fire tracer rounds, is that really true?

If so, it beggers belief that the Japanese Air Force want to escalate the situation, given how it would be easily outnumbered by the number of equivalent jets that the Chinese Air Force could put into the skies over the Senkaku/Diaoyu Islands.

Plus from public articles on fighter pilot training in China, there has been a revolution in training methods over the past few years, and a huge improvement in pilot skill levels and flight hours.
 

SamuraiBlue

Captain
AndrewS

Go through the vid, it gives you step to step instructions on how the procedure is carried out.
They are certainly not given authorization before hand and are instructed each step at a time the ROE.
 

AndrewS

Brigadier
Registered Member
Japan did come off worse.

The world witnessed China runs rings around the Hatoyama government, and it was described as a diplomatic shock and awe campaign by neutral European observers.

Plus the banks released reports showing the Japanese recession was due to the decline in Japanese exports to China. In comparison, Chinese, American and European companies saw sales boom in that period.
 

kriss

Junior Member
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Here is a vid giving a detailed explanation on how JASDF carries out a scramble launch intercepting a incoming.

I think what taxiya want from you is the information of this specific event not the general procedure of JASDF. Frankly speak the video only give us an general idea of how the japanese fighter might behave (which is some years ago and we don't know if there is a policy change) but offer no detail about this incident.
 

AlyxMS

Junior Member
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Stay on topic guys!
This is "Japan Military News" thread.
Not Sino-Japan diplomatic relations, politics and economy thread.

We should focus on the Military part.

SamuraiBlue's video provides some insight on JASDF's procedures and we should compare the description from the news reports and this video.

The JASDF pilots trying to warn the Y-8 in Chinese part is hilarious tho.
Kudos for trying I guess.
I remember listening to a recording of communication between a Chinese airliner and an American airport control tower. I guess this is how the American flight control thought.
 
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