J31 program is military version of Huawei, most griping in US minds.

Status
Not open for further replies.

tidalwave

Senior Member
Registered Member
I don’t think it will work well as export, except maybe to the most trusted allies.

Shenyang went out and asked 70 million $ for it, IF the buyer also paid for remaining program. And that was before the redesign. F-35A runs for about 80-90 million $, and that’s a whole plane with no strings attached.

With the redesign, it’s slated to be very deadly, too deadly to sell. And it would also be prohibitively expensive.
China barter.
Thailand barters Chinese high-speed rail with rice.

And j31 potentially be the only thing in the market that can counter F35. If your life depend on this.
 

tidalwave

Senior Member
Registered Member
I don't agree with what you say here. Right now, China needs to do passive Taichi: react to America's moves, but don't jump the gun. The Republican Trump US is making a huge mistake of dismantling the Anglo-American Universal Liberal Democratic Value System. Although the administration alone is not powerful enough to destroy this system, they did a lot of damage and thus significantly weakened its appeal.

I say this because that value system (I simplify as AAULDVS) is in fact a political religion that the US created to conquer and unify the world. Without this unifying agent, the world gradually and surely decay into a multi-polar system divided by civilization boundaries. This multi-polar system benefits China in the long run, but make Her uncomfortable in the short run.

The worst we could do, is to act as an agent of adversary. This would give the US a chance to black mail the other major nations into allying with the US despite themselves being on the receiving end of bullying from the US. What we need to do is to do Taichi. Be passive towards anything the US does, answer their moves with firm but minimalist reaction.
If you truely a follower of Mao Doctrine, he would disapprove of your passive taichi.

If Mao do passive taichi, there wouldn't be the Korean war.

You don't know what talking about.
 

Biscuits

Major
Registered Member
China barter.
Thailand barters Chinese high-speed rail with rice.

And j31 potentially be the only thing in the market that can counter F35. If your life depend on this.

But money is money. It will cost even more to pay by resource contracts than with hard cash.

Yeah, and if the J-31 can hard counter F-36, there’s absolutely no way anyone except the closest allies should ever get to buy it.
 

jimmyjames30x30

Junior Member
Registered Member
If you truely a follower of Mao Doctrine, he would disapprove of your passive taichi.

If Mao do passive taichi, there wouldn't be the Korean war.

You don't know what talking about.


You are the one who doesn't know Mao's doctrine. You are also the one who doesn't understand Taichi, Daoism and Sunzi. Mao's doctrine is the perfect embodiment of Taichi, Daoism and Sunzi.

Anyone who really understands Taichi, would have chosen the entrance into the Korean War like Mao did at the time.
 

jimmyjames30x30

Junior Member
Registered Member
Can you please leave out the politics from your comments. Kindly read the forum rules.

It's a quite difficult to entirely eliminate politics from this particular thread as the central subject matter of this thread is political. If I am wrong please enlighten me on how the subject matter of this thread could be discussed meaningfully without politics.
 

tidalwave

Senior Member
Registered Member
You are the one who doesn't know Mao's doctrine. You are also the one who doesn't understand Taichi, Daoism and Sunzi. Mao's doctrine is the perfect embodiment of Taichi, Daoism and Sunzi.

Anyone who really understands Taichi, would have chosen the entrance into the Korean War like Mao did at the time.
Don't be lazy, explain in details how he willing sacrifice 100K men as combo of everything.
Before you said it's passive taichi, and now it's combo, lol
 

Brumby

Major
It's a quite difficult to entirely eliminate politics from this particular thread as the central subject matter of this thread is political. If I am wrong please enlighten me on how the subject matter of this thread could be discussed meaningfully without politics.

The nature of the thread is about the J-31 as an economic and geopolitical threat. Your comments were about the US political system. It is both political and off topic.
 

Brumby

Major
There is no J31, the plane you refer to is FC31 which is made for sale and I personally doubt that anyone will buy it on it's current status.
You are right. The J-31 is basically a demonstrator and its fate is far from certain. To even consider it as an economic or geopolitical threat is simply premature at best and a fantasy at worst.

In some threads you have to suspend a degree of reasoning and this is one of them. There are no substantive discussions consistent with the thread description but is just an excuse to by pass the threads that were locked out by the moderators. You are seeing the same development here. It is just a matter of time before this thread gets locked out at the rate it is going.
 
Would it make sense for Shenyang (and the government, which would be needed to provide funding) to develop two platforms from the FC-31? One variant that is simply a mass producable refinement of the 2nd prototype for export market, and another enlarged and redesigned version for use on future carriers and possibly PLAAF? This would probably mean two engine variants as well.
 
Status
Not open for further replies.
Top