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J-XX Fighter Aircraft
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Indianfighter
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Actually in the same manner, the Chinese personnel you met also could not have accurately speculated that the J-XX will supposedly be better than the JSF. The JSF's underlying technology is also classified.
Russia's PAK-FA was also reported to have similar technology in 2005. .Zhengwei said:
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I imagine the JXX would still use a stealthy airframe even with that ionized gas technology.
I imagine the JXX would still use a stealthy airframe even with that ionized gas technology.
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China recently have turned down the offer from Russia for the joint development of 5th generation fighter. Does that mean China feels its own military industry is advanced enough to develop the 5th gen.fighter by itself, or China feels it doesn't yet have the capability or fund to start a 5th gen. stealth fight program?
China recently have turned down the offer from Russia for the joint development of 5th generation fighter. Does that mean China feels its own military industry is advanced enough to develop the 5th gen.fighter by itself, or China feels it doesn't yet have the capability or fund to start a 5th gen. stealth fight program?
AmiGanguli
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Definitely not the second. China's economy is more than twice the size of Russia's.
There are other possibilities, however. Even if the Chinese think the Russians have better tech, they might feel that developing their own R&D capabilities is more important in the long term than having the absolute best possible fighter.
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Definitely not the second. China's economy is more than twice the size of Russia's.
There are other possibilities, however. Even if the Chinese think the Russians have better tech, they might feel that developing their own R&D capabilities is more important in the long term than having the absolute best possible fighter.
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Actually, in the same manner, Chinese military personnel probably have much better access to classified foreign technology or information about its capabilities than you ever will.
So yes, while, you may be stuck in your own little corner oblivious to the JSF's capabilities and technology, the Chinese military-industrial complex is most likely not. To preempt any asinine counterarguments, knowing the technology or even the science behind it doesn't necessitate that a country or organization has the ability to successfully integrate into its weapon systems.
Half of the problem of transitioning from R&D and prototypes to full production is having the infrastructure in place to mass manufacture the required components and integrate it into weapon systems. China could possess the full set of schematics for the B-2 along with the processes for manufacturing the synthetic materials and it would still take time to produce a prototype.
An important thing to note that there is often a disparity between GDP or GNP and the effective budge of a nation. China can't tax its population the way United States nor does it way because it likes sustained economic growth upwards of 10%. For this example, however, Russia is lacking in both GDP and ability to pay for significant military expenditures. A nation with severe morale problems due to sophomoric hazing and conscription is not one that's really able to afford long-term development of high quality weapon systems.
The reason that there's no joint 5th generation stealth aircraft is most likely the same reason as always; Russia wants to maximize what it gets from the deal while minimizing the costs in the form of tech transfers. China wants technology transfers and Russia doesn't want to give it up. Other issues probably resolve around China's viewing Russia as having limited long-term potential. Why bother cooperating for the long-term with a nation on the decline?
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Actually, in the same manner, Chinese military personnel probably have much better access to classified foreign technology or information about its capabilities than you ever will.
So yes, while, you may be stuck in your own little corner oblivious to the JSF's capabilities and technology, the Chinese military-industrial complex is most likely not. To preempt any asinine counterarguments, knowing the technology or even the science behind it doesn't necessitate that a country or organization has the ability to successfully integrate into its weapon systems.
Half of the problem of transitioning from R&D and prototypes to full production is having the infrastructure in place to mass manufacture the required components and integrate it into weapon systems. China could possess the full set of schematics for the B-2 along with the processes for manufacturing the synthetic materials and it would still take time to produce a prototype.
An important thing to note that there is often a disparity between GDP or GNP and the effective budge of a nation. China can't tax its population the way United States nor does it way because it likes sustained economic growth upwards of 10%. For this example, however, Russia is lacking in both GDP and ability to pay for significant military expenditures. A nation with severe morale problems due to sophomoric hazing and conscription is not one that's really able to afford long-term development of high quality weapon systems.
The reason that there's no joint 5th generation stealth aircraft is most likely the same reason as always; Russia wants to maximize what it gets from the deal while minimizing the costs in the form of tech transfers. China wants technology transfers and Russia doesn't want to give it up. Other issues probably resolve around China's viewing Russia as having limited long-term potential. Why bother cooperating for the long-term with a nation on the decline?
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AFAIK, China and Russia's relationship regarding the future stealth fighter plane can not be described as a simple yes and no. It has lasted more than 10 years;
In the last several years it's becoming more and more evident that China does not want to join Russia's T50/PAK-FA at the PROJECT level. This is mainly due to Russia's changes on how to CO-DEVELOP the plane. Originally it was planned as a real joint development. For example, it's not a coincidence that Russia's future core engine project was called P2000, whereas China's was called C2000.
But anyway, now Russia got India into the project; So we can safely say that China definetely won't be joining the project.
Having said that, I don't mix PLAAF with China's aviation industry. AVIC may well be on its own stealth plane road, but PLAAF does not usually put their eggs in one basket. In fact, I do think PLAAF is like the tier 2 partners in the US F35 project; They've paid some money to be briefed about the project progress; and they have the option to buy (or not to buy) the production version (the Russian version of course).
But of course, from a chinese military fan's point of view, I hope India will insist that no PAKFA sale to China is allowed absolutely.
AFAIK, China and Russia's relationship regarding the future stealth fighter plane can not be described as a simple yes and no. It has lasted more than 10 years;
In the last several years it's becoming more and more evident that China does not want to join Russia's T50/PAK-FA at the PROJECT level. This is mainly due to Russia's changes on how to CO-DEVELOP the plane. Originally it was planned as a real joint development. For example, it's not a coincidence that Russia's future core engine project was called P2000, whereas China's was called C2000.
But anyway, now Russia got India into the project; So we can safely say that China definetely won't be joining the project.
Having said that, I don't mix PLAAF with China's aviation industry. AVIC may well be on its own stealth plane road, but PLAAF does not usually put their eggs in one basket. In fact, I do think PLAAF is like the tier 2 partners in the US F35 project; They've paid some money to be briefed about the project progress; and they have the option to buy (or not to buy) the production version (the Russian version of course).
But of course, from a chinese military fan's point of view, I hope India will insist that no PAKFA sale to China is allowed absolutely.
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I don't know how one can call the PAKFA and JXX to be in the same class as the F-35. Comparing twin engined fighters to a single engine fighter doesn't sound very logical to me.
I don't know how one can call the PAKFA and JXX to be in the same class as the F-35. Comparing twin engined fighters to a single engine fighter doesn't sound very logical to me.
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