J-XX Fighter Aircraft

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simonov

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I think JXX donot a propaganda, but that the Chinese style to work. Look at J-10 they keep silence, suddenly we know that the produce almost reach 100. With their economic Capability thats very possible.
 

challenge

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You are welcome. Everyone's opinion is welcome, at least that's my view.

But firstly, all you have seen are just some internet posts, and 99% of them are from Chinese government. In fact, I really hope China does some propaganda about their military issues, because we lack information.

A minor thing is that you are contradicting yourself in just one paragraph: In one sentence you are saying it's propaganda, in another one you are saying there's so little information. If there is propagand, don't you think there should be huge amount of info available, not matter it's fake or not.

Secondly, most of the stuff on the internet about china's military are not authoritive, because A: the Chinese government never releases any info on non-export oriented things, B: the western intel organizations don't bother to clear the truth (it's not their job anyway), they just want to use the confusion.

So, about china's military, trust your own analysis and prepared to be proved wrong. That's the fun, unlike other countries's situation, you just pay and believe in what you are told.

Chinese may rely on old ,but proven technology to built the aircraft,the JX even if it built,and finally enter service,may not be as good as F22.more probably something between a F-15C and down graded F35 being offer for export.
 

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Yes but during the Cold War the USSR had a centralised 'command' economy
so did it really matter what the budget was since they could order anything
they wanted from the rest of the economy ?

Also this made it a whole lot more efficient in terms of military procurement
though I'm not saying that it was efficient in other ways.


They had a plannified centralized economy not a "command economy".

The soviets had Five-year plans, what was called a frozen economy. They couldn't "order" a minute pizza if that pizza wasn't on the Gosplan tables. See actually the soviets had to liberate the funds at the beggining of the Plan not during the plan itself.

The budget was everything in the USSR. No budget (even physical), No Production. No nothing. So you have to understand this logic and quit making things up.

In PPP terms for instance China is on a 1:4 ratio. And Russia on 1:2/2.5. And evrything goes that way. In fact the Russian internal prices a inflated when they export. The Russian army usually buys it's "high end" tanks (T-90S/V) at roughly 700 000 euros/piece. The Indians have payed around 2 million USD per piece. You have thus to obtain real numbers about the russian internal market.
 

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just a little on Russia helping China for 5th generation aircraft, no saying that this is true though.
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Russia invites China to co-develop 5th-generation jetfighter

Zhuhai, Nov 3: Russia has invited China to participate in the development of a fifth-generation jetfighter, Deputy Director of the Federal Service for Military-Technical Cooperation Alexander Denisov said.

"Russian Air Force will phase into service a fifth-generation aircraft designed under a Sukhoi Company project. Work in this area is proceeding according to an established timetable. We hope that the aircraft will be rendered airborne on time and that our Air Force will get the plane they want," Denisov said.

We suggest that some countries, among them the People's Republic of China (PRC), participate in this project, he said while talking to journalists at the Airshow China-2006 here yesterday.

In response to a question regarding assistance to China in construction of it's first aircraft carrier, he said, "If there is a respective request on the part of the PRC, we shall examine it, of course. My opinion is that such a request would not run counter to any existing international norms. Therefore, such cooperation is possible".
 

ebola2007

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Notice the model in the bottom right conor is very like the tiny shadow in the city sky picture. So it could be a prototype j15 made in 601 institution.

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coolieno99

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Speculative post taken from Key Publishing aviation forum.
Source: big brush @ forum.keypublishing.co.uk

Yang wei, who is the chief engineer of Chengdu aircraft design and research institute(611), said that a new important prototype will start its maiden flight within five years.

According to several insiders, this prototype is a twin-engine stealth fighter with internal weapon bays.

Engines will be size reduced WS-10 modification with smaller by-pass ratio, thrust 110KN and t/w ratio 9.0

What radar will be used is not clear, however it's more likely an AESA from 14th institute.

Model found on 611's handout

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Scratch

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Well, to me the model on the foto looks somewhat like the MiG 1.42 prototype.
Incident ? wanted cooperation ? or do the chineese have good intel sources in the russian (aviation) industrie ??

Or will perhaps all fighter A/C in the future look the same ... ?
 

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I know I already have a Pakistani source, but I thought it would be better to post something translated from Russian source
Date Posted 07 November 2006

Russia Proposes Joint Fifth Generation Fighter Development to China

Russia is proposing China take part in the development of the fifth generation fighter, the deputy manager of the federal service for military and technical cooperation and head of the Russian delegation, Aleksandr Denisov, reported to journalists at the Airshow China-2006 air salon in Zhuhai.

"The choice already has been made in Russia: a fifth generation based on the Sukhoy company's project will be adopted into the inventory by the Russian air force. We are offering some countries, including the PRC, participation in this project," Denisov said.

He also did not rule out that Russia may help China in the construction of her first aircraft carrier if the Chinese side makes a corresponding request.

Source: 02.11.06, Segodnya.RU
 

big toothbrush

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WS-15 engine's forging parts to be delivered. WS-15 is Chinese next generation high thrust turbofan for 4th gen stealth fighter.
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2005/09/06
本报讯 8月29日,中国一航红原锻铸造工业公司举行某新机种18项发动机锻件交付仪式。新型发动机锻件的顺利交付标志着该公司在新机大锻件研发上取得重大突破,跃上了一个新台阶。

某型发动机是我国新一代战机的主要动力装置。6月份,红原公司接到中国一航西安航空发动机(集团)公司该型号后续18项锻件的生产任务。该系列锻件在生产过程中有两个明显特点:一是技术难度大,主要表现在吨位大、工艺条件复杂、执行标准高;二是原材料资源紧缺,生产进度紧,试制周期短,质量要求高,是首次承担的大型锻件。

承接任务后,公司成立了以总经理杨春尚为总指挥的工作组,下设技术攻关组、生产协调组、资源保障组、质量监督组,及时召开专题会议,对组织材料、研制、生产每一个环节进行周密部署,以一系列行之有效的保障和管理措施来确保该型号锻件按节点顺利推进。公司先后调整、充实了科研生产队伍,改善了科研生产工作的基础条件,特别是加强了质量管理,严格按照技术要求协调处理有关问题,解决了锻件研制生产中的突出技术难题,保证了试制工作的顺利进行,最终按期合格圆满地交付了锻件。 
 
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