J-35A fighter (PLAAF) + FC-31 thread

henrik

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I simply dont foresee anyone buying the J-35 anytime soon. No one who has enough budget and GDP to buy such a platform has the close military relationship with China other than Pakistan. And Pakistan also will not buy J-35 so soon when they barely have enough J-10s.

US will be furious against anyone who will buy the J-35 so US allies like the Gulf will certainly not buy it. Turkey does need stealth fighters after not getting F-35 but they have KAAN and will likely not buy J-35.

ASEAN countries will maintain neutrality and not buy any fighter jet from China. There is simply no one else who has the ability and the will to buy J-35.

There is no reason just because the US is furious about something, so that other countries will stop doing something. As China becomes strong enough, a lot of NATO countries will buy Chinese planes. The upcoming China NATO alliance will be very strong, as the US is pulling out of NATO, due to European countries not satisfying US demands.
 

dingyibvs

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It wasn't on the cards before because the situation was different back then.

Even Yang Wei admitted that the higher-ups in the PLA underestimated the production numbers of F-35s back then. They didn't expect that the F-35 production would reach well over 100 units per year.

Things are different now, so the J-35A are on the cards.



The JF-17 certainly didn't get inducted into PLAAF service as a stamp of confidence/approval for its overseas sales.

So, you may say that there is connection between the J-35A entering service with the PLAAF J-35A and the prospect of J-35AE overseas export - But that certainly isn't the dominant factor for the PLAAF's decision to procure the J-35As.

But why respond to increased F-35 numbers with the J-35A? Why not just build more J-20s? Scaling up an existing type should be more cost effective than investing in a whole new type wouldn't it? As others have asked before, what does the J-35A offer that the J-20 doesn't?
 

tphuang

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Yeah. I think @tphuang paid for subscription on YouTube. Maybe he could summarize for us. I’ve always wondered if the paid shows are actually worth it since they don’t really divulge more close sourced info in those compared with regular programming.
is this a paid episode on YouTube or qingting fm. which episode is this? for latter, I need to buy it first.

but any guess who? Saudi Arabia allegedly just recently refused an offer
Malaysia maybe? I've seen them in trade shows drop by J-35 booth multiple times now.
 

ougoah

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If J-35AE is actually a thing then Pakistan is surely going to be a customer. Pakistan has close relations to the US. Can you truly trust no US engineers are going to be given time to thoroughly inspect it. Even without sensitive equipment onboard the export version, it's still going to offer deep insight into the PLAAF and PLAN platforms.

SAC and AVIC please, please make sure you downgrade the export version and make it as different as possible to the PLAAF and PLAN home team fighters. There is considerable risk exporting this. Given US global influence via three letter agencies and spies masking as NGOs, they will get a close look one way or another. Exporting 15 year old J-10CE is one thing when you have 6th gen prototypes flying but we are only just about to equip the J-35.
 

Tomboy

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There is no reason just because the US is furious about something, so that other countries will stop doing something. As China becomes strong enough, a lot of NATO countries will buy Chinese planes. The upcoming China NATO alliance will be very strong, as the US is pulling out of NATO, due to European countries not satisfying US demands.
Biggest issue for China joining the NATO alliance is that China has very close ties with Russia which obviously is right now enemy number 1 for NATO. Unless China gets this sorted I don't think NATO will have a very close alliance with China
 

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alright, I listened to that entire clip just now.

Yankee said J-35AE flew before Zhuhai air show. Shilao said he doesn't think it's PAF due to the fact that project is getting "rushed" forward with a lot of money. He expects it to be one of those countries that would say "shut up and take our money". Aside from Saudi Arabia, UAE and Qatar, I really cannot think of any other plausible customers, if that is the case. Expect this customer to pay for full top spec for the J-35AE that they order. China can easily charge more than what Rafales goes for.

PAF order will likely be for a lower spec'd and cheaper version.
 

Gloire_bb

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But why respond to increased F-35 numbers with the J-35A? Why not just build more J-20s? Scaling up an existing type should be more cost effective than investing in a whole new type wouldn't it? As others have asked before, what does the J-35A offer that the J-20 doesn't?
1, J-20 production apparently hit the roof, and it interferes with Chengdu other operations and designs. Factory is overloaded.
2, Shenyang needs VLO production experience. Flankers aren't birds built to a millimeter precision.
3, Shenyang main aircraft product (J-16) is 10 yrs old, they need new modern products.
J-16 orders are likely close to completion, it isn't a new, fresh plane anymore.
4, J-20(a) has different mission profile when compared to J-35A. It is smaller, it almost certainly has a multirole EOTS(unlike J-20). It's very likely somewhat lower observable.
5, J-20(a) comes at a different price point, as well as higher purchase and sustainance costs.
 
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