J-35 carrier fighter (PLAN) thread

Gloire_bb

Major
Registered Member
J-35 is still an expensive aircraft, even if it is cheaper than F-35. Export will be limited by this. Probably only Gulf countries can afford it.
F-35 isn't terribly expensive though.

Given that arms package for J-35 should be more or less within same realm as for other Chinese fighters - procurement can be quite affordable.

The big concern with lo aircraft, as usual, is sustaining them.
 

Tomboy

Junior Member
Registered Member
Are we expecting J-35's to be operating on Shandong and Liaoning? IMO probably filling up Fujian first but hopefully we will see mixed air wings on the two legacy STOBAR carriers.
 

SAC

Junior Member
Staff member
Moderator - World Affairs
Registered Member
Are we expecting J-35's to be operating on Shandong and Liaoning? IMO probably filling up Fujian first but hopefully we will see mixed air wings on the two legacy STOBAR carriers.
I would expect so. In the fullness of time.
 

Tomboy

Junior Member
Registered Member
He did say :" J-35 has 2D TVC nozzles engine."

Please, Log in or Register to view URLs content!
That's interesting since we have not seen a single J-35 with a 2D nozzle yet. Hopefully they don't pull another J-20A and we have to wait until J-35 is nearly obsolescence to finally see the originally intended product. Since if such a J-35 variant takes another 3-4 years to develop it might actually be DOA since J-XDS might be entering LRIP/IOC phase by then
 

sunnymaxi

Major
Registered Member
Since if such a J-35 variant takes another 3-4 years to develop it might actually be DOA since J-XDS might be entering LRIP/IOC phase by then
won't take much time as they are working on different TVC nozzles for years.

Some excerpts from a paper that show China is quite actively exploring various types of fluidic thrust vectoring designs, having tested them in lab settings as well as on scale demonstrators.

54494746649_fe32917a9c_o.jpg
54494746639_a0ccebb060_o.jpg
54494905800_5a744ff661_o.jpg
54494558911_32fa0a4482_o.jpg
54494746734_862a12cb9f_o.jpg
54494824403_0d6ea4a1fe_o.jpg
54493698242_d53db9a3e5_o.jpg
 

GiantPanda

Junior Member
Registered Member
That's interesting since we have not seen a single J-35 with a 2D nozzle yet. Hopefully they don't pull another J-20A and we have to wait until J-35 is nearly obsolescence to finally see the originally intended product. Since if such a J-35 variant takes another 3-4 years to develop it might actually be DOA since J-XDS might be entering LRIP/IOC phase by then

No, there are decades left of the J-20/J-35 being the "lo" side of the mix for manned fighters.

That said, manned fighters themselves might be kept around just as backups in a world of AI autonomous fighting machines.
 

Tomboy

Junior Member
Registered Member
No, there are decades left of the J-20/J-35 being the "lo" side of the mix for manned fighters.

That said, manned fighters themselves might be kept around just as backups in a world of AI autonomous fighting machines.
Not obsolete in the sense they are no longer competitive but obsolete in the sense there isn't much sense to procure them further, once J-XDS hits the LRIP phase why would the navy keep buying J-35s? The navy unlike the air force doesn't operate thousands of fighters so it doesn't take forever to replace old ones nor do they really need a hi-lo mix of fighters, at best by 2030 PLAN would be operating approx. 132 fighters on carriers plus a dozen or two extras for spare and training. As Cute Orca said, the navy only have so little fighters that they are willing to spend more money on the latest and greatest so IMO once J-XDS hits the market no more J-35 would be procured. So, if 2D TVC J-35 are ready the same time has J-XDS why would the navy buy 2D TVC J-35 and not just straight up the much better J-XDS?
won't take much time as they are working on different TVC nozzles for years.
The thing that I'm most worried about is that adding 2D TVC might necessitates some airframe changes for the rear end which will almost definitely add years to development time unless they decide to just jam on one of those weird not-so-2D 2D thrust vectoring engines like on the Su-57M
 
Last edited:

sunnymaxi

Major
Registered Member
The thing that I'm most worried about is that adding 2D TVC might necessitates some airframe changes for the rear end which will almost definitely add years to development time unless they decide to just jam on one of those weird not-so-2D 2D thrust vectoring engines like on the Su-57M
it depends on which option they go with..

only PLAN demand top of the line stealth jet so they are going with TVC and airforce version will not install TVC.
 
Top