J-35 carrier fighter (PLAN) thread

[Deino]

Apparently according to the Guancha Trios in one of the latest (if not the latest) paid ChaHuaHui (察话会Au) podcast, the J-35 has already conducted CATO and BAR operations on Fujian during her latest sea trial.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1915373164055380469

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1915380377432318268

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1915382169666461865

In fact I'm most surprised why we altogether have more and better images of SAC's J-XDS at hand than from the J-35! Even more what's the current status of both the naval variant and the landbased version? Is it indeed in LRI-production already ... and when will we finally see it?

 

[ACuriousPLAFan]

In fact I'm most surprised why we altogether have more and better images of SAC's J-XDS at hand than from the J-35! Even more what's the current status of both the naval variant and the landbased version? Is it indeed in LRI-production already ... and when will we finally see it?

Because the J-35/A is the world's speediest 牛夫人. (jk)

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In the meantime, recall that Shandong's first J-15 launch footages (which occurred during one of the latter sea trials) were published right on the same day as Shandong's official service entry with the PLAN (if not after).

Hence, we shouldn't be surprised if this (footages of first CATOs for both J-15T/D and J-35) happens again for Fujian and any subsequent Chinese CV(N)s.

 

[bsdnf]

just think about how long the J-20 has been in service, and the official has not released any details even about the 718 engineering aircraft. The PLA just love to keep secrets.

 

[bsdnf]

Cute Orca: J-35 will be equipped with TVC at some point in its service. Navy has fewer fighters, they will try to pursue top-level configurations.

 

[Alfa_Particle]

Cute Orca: J-35 will be equipped with TVC at some point in its service. Navy has few fighters, they will pursue top-level configurations.

Hopefully it'll provide some useful operational data on future fighters. Please let it be a flat SCFN with yaw flow deflection.

 

[Tomboy]

Cute Orca: J-35 will be equipped with TVC at some point in its service. Navy has fewer fighters, they will try to pursue top-level configurations.

I've been wondering what route they will go down, will they go down the LOAN nozzle with 3D TVC route or pure flat 2D TVC route. IMO the flat nozzle integrates better for the side profile however I've heard that flat nozzles may have a higher RCS from the rear than an axisymmetric one but is better more IR signature suppression. Another thing I've noticed is that current J-20 and likewise J-35 do not use ceramics to coat the interior walls like the F-35 to decrease IR signature, nor do they use a fully LOAN nozzle design (WS-10C equipped J-20s have a non serrated circular ring inside the serrated nozzles). IMO it seems that WS-15 will solve the problem for J-20 but the prototype we had good pictures of the engines still don't seem to have the ceramic coatings hopefully they do come equipped on production J-20As that we may see any day now same goes for production J-35s with WS-19.


Here is the paper saying that a flat nozzle may not be as stealthy as an axisymmetric one:

 

[Alfa_Particle]

I've been wondering what route they will go down, will they go down the LOAN nozzle with 3D TVC route or pure flat 2D TVC route.

SAC patents suggests the latter or some form of the latter.

I've heard that flat nozzles may have a higher RCS from the rear than an axisymmetric one but is better more IR signature suppression.

Yup to both. The 90 degree angles that the rectangular nozzle forms aren't doing it favours too.

Another thing I've noticed is that current J-20 and likewise J-35 do not use ceramics to coat the interior walls like the F-35 to decrease IR signature

The J-20 does. It's the white paint on the interior walls. Not sure about the J-35 since we lack clear imagery of service birds.

WS-10C equipped J-20s have a non serrated circular ring inside the serrated nozzles

Well, it's RCS effects are minimal enough for the PLA to be happy with 300+ birds. I wouldn't be too concerned.

IMO it seems that WS-15 will solve the problem for J-20 but the prototype we had good pictures of the engines still don't seem to have the ceramic coatings hopefully they do come equipped on production J-20As that we may see any day now same goes for production J-35s with WS-19.

From what I've heard, the WS-15's axisymmetric nozzle option wouldn't need a ceramic coat on the interior walls. The material/integrated cooling (I forgot) straight up suppresses IR signature without the need of a coat.

 

[Nevermore]

Cute Orca: J-35 will be equipped with TVC at some point in its service. Navy has fewer fighters, they will try to pursue top-level configurations.

Is there a source link?

 

[Alfa_Particle]

Is there a source link?

Bottom comment.

 

[no_name]

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I've been wondering what route they will go down, will they go down the LOAN nozzle with 3D TVC route or pure flat 2D TVC route. IMO the flat nozzle integrates better for the side profile however I've heard that flat nozzles may have a higher RCS from the rear than an axisymmetric one but is better more IR signature suppression. Another thing I've noticed is that current J-20 and likewise J-35 do not use ceramics to coat the interior walls like the F-35 to decrease IR signature, nor do they use a fully LOAN nozzle design (WS-10C equipped J-20s have a non serrated circular ring inside the serrated nozzles). IMO it seems that WS-15 will solve the problem for J-20 but the prototype we had good pictures of the engines still don't seem to have the ceramic coatings hopefully they do come equipped on production J-20As that we may see any day now same goes for production J-35s with WS-19.
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Here is the paper saying that a flat nozzle may not be as stealthy as an axisymmetric one:
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Nozzle shaping isn't really about RCS but Infrared signature reduction though.