J-35 carrier fighter (PLAN) thread

sequ

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Do we have satellite photo to determine J-35 dimension?
Some said it's 17.5m x 13.4m
If that's the case, given F-22 is 18.92mx13.56m, J-35 is 93% length and 99% width of F-22, almost the same.
If WS-19 is as powerful as claims, combine with 3D printing to reduce weight and parts, is possible to achieve the similar power to weight ratio as F-22 ?
or similar super cruise capability as the aspect ratio is very close to F-22?

Are we looking at a duplicate raptor without the side bay?
By duplicate I mean air superiority focus and same if not longer range.

You can measure its dimensions approximately on google earth if you check the Wuhan carrier land based mockup/integration facility.

It has the same wing area as the F-35C (and Flanker). See it as a twin engined F35C with better L/D ratio for better supersonic/transonic performance with most likely equal (combat) range.
 

minime

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It has the same wing area as the F-35C (and Flanker). See it as a twin engined F35C with better L/D ratio for better supersonic/transonic performance with most likely equal (combat) range.
J-35 only carry A2A munition internally if I'm not mistaken, meaning air superiority focus compare to F35C strike focus.
It's two very different approach for VLO platform and doctrine.
IMO, in the era of stealth, mid-sizes jet due to space constraint can't do both in highly contested environment.
That's why I'm don't see J-35 "as a twin engined F35C with better L/D ratio for better supersonic/transonic performance" but more like F-22 not only in roles(air superiority) but given 93% of the length, same general layout and advancement in manufacture, material, engine; it could somewhat match the performance too.
Say 14000kg empty weight and 11 ton thrust for WS-19 then T/W ratio is close to F-22.
If that's the case, land version of J-35, say J-31 with reduce weight could be as potent as F-22 not to mention better sensor & avionics.
 

Jason_

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J-35 only carry A2A munition internally if I'm not mistaken, meaning air superiority focus compare to F35C strike focus.
It's two very different approach for VLO platform and doctrine.
IMO, in the era of stealth, mid-sizes jet due to space constraint can't do both in highly contested environment.
That's why I'm don't see J-35 "as a twin engined F35C with better L/D ratio for better supersonic/transonic performance" but more like F-22 not only in roles(air superiority) but given 93% of the length, same general layout and advancement in manufacture, material, engine; it could somewhat match the performance too.
Say 14000kg empty weight and 11 ton thrust for WS-19 then T/W ratio is close to F-22.
If that's the case, land version of J-35, say J-31 with reduce weight could be as potent as F-22 not to mention better sensor & avionics.
It is rumored to have the same main weapon bay dimension as the J-20. This would mean that 2*1000lb+2*PL-15, 8*250lb+2*PL-15, 2*HARM+2*PL-15 should all be viable loadouts.
 

Atomicfrog

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That 'strip' is a structure of large volume. It only looks narraw like a strip if looking from under or above. It is pretty large looking from the side. It looks to be about 50cm tall. It would increase drag if its volume is abruptly reduced to zero. Therefor it is long. Why it is that tall? Because it houses the actuator for the horizontal stablizer (at the poit of arrow).
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The idea of "whole surface rotating" was done in FC-31 up to version 2 in the same way as Su-27, Su-57 and F-35. I am only guessing that the change has something to do with the optimization of J-35 from FC-31, 隐身舰载战斗机气动力设计关键技术, especially chapter 3.1
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Probably it's hiding the center of the engine plume to reduce IR from the side too, beside housing actuators. Not a lot but could help.
 

Alfa_Particle

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It is rumored to have the same main weapon bay dimension as the J-20. This would mean that 2*1000lb+2*PL-15, 8*250lb+2*PL-15, 2*HARM+2*PL-15 should all be viable loadouts.
It could carry more once the PL-15 folding wing variant is in service, no?
 

ACuriousPLAFan

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It could carry more once the PL-15 folding wing variant is in service, no?
We don't know whether the PL-15 with folding wings is still in active development or not, so that's a blank.

However, we do know from Yankee & Co. that a new type MRAAMs (which I hope to have comparable performances to the AIM-120C-6/7 if not D) has already entered service sometime ago, and that each J-20 can carry 6 of them inside its main weapons bay:
Something else they say that's interesting is that the six pl-15s in one aircraft version is already in service
No they meant six medium range missiles in belly bay. But since J-20 carry them internally wall climbers cant really see any change.

Hence, if the J-35 does have a similar main weapons bay as the J-20 (which seems likely to be the case), then the J-35 should be able to carry 6 of the new type MRAAMs as well.
 
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Gloire_bb

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It has the same wing area as the F-35C (and Flanker). See it as a twin engined F35C with better L/D ratio for better supersonic/transonic performance with most likely equal (combat) range.
It is an almost impossible combination within the same size.
You want to be slimmer, while carrying more engines (2 smaller engines>1 bigger one volume-wise), yet retain the same range.
Either your engines are a good generation ahead of F135 in performance, or something will have to give.
That's why I'm don't see J-35 "as a twin engined F35C with better L/D ratio for better supersonic/transonic performance" but more like F-22 not only in roles(air superiority) but given 93% of the length, same general layout and advancement in manufacture, material, engine; it could somewhat match the performance too.
(1)There are no special reasons to assume that J-35 isn't multirole, as explained above; if it is less D-P - it's because it's probably a worse oversized payload carrier than J-15 series. For everything else, it's still perfectly fine. You may check Su-57 as an example of range of payloads one can fit into nominal 4.2x0.4x0.4 bay, if that's the goal. Basically everything other than emitting pods, heavy theater ASCMs and AsBMs.
(2)For some reason, air superiority often has a more prestigious vibe. For a deck fighter, it's a tertiary role, not even secondary.
 
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