J-35 carrier fighter (PLAN) thread

[Inst]

Uhh, search J-21 and J-31. Since the FC-31 was not accepted for PLAAF service, speculation on its designation varied.

As for the Arleigh Burkes, their stated price is 1.86 bn. Okay, so I mistyped tr when I meant bn. The point is, Arleigh Burkes are much cheaper than super carriers and can carry a lot of instantaneous firepower.

What I'm worried about is that advancements in naval weapons are such that the old formula of air > ship no longer applies; aircraft can now be shot down before they can launch their missiles, and once the missiles are launched, the missiles can be shot down by the ship's defense systems.

Remember, when it comes to defensive shells, quantity has a quality all its own. The entire USN fleet is 64 Arleigh Burkes, meaning you'd get around 6000 VLS canisters. Compare that to roughly 300 Flankers in the Chinese inventory; if each carries two YJ-12s, then you'd have 10x the VLS to intercept each missile.

 

[Gloire_bb]

aircraft can now be shot down before they can launch their missiles, and once the missiles are launched, the missiles can be shot down by the ship's defense systems.

Replace Arleigh Burke with Long Beach in this fragment and try again.
Not like anything new.

Earth is still big and still isn't flat. It matters.

Remember, when it comes to defensive shells, quantity has a quality all its own. The entire USN fleet is 64 Arleigh Burkes, meaning you'd get around 6000 VLS canisters. Compare that to roughly 300 Flankers in the Chinese inventory; if each carries two YJ-12s, then you'd have 10x the VLS to intercept each missile.

When Prince of Whales was sunk, number of torpedo bombers involved in attack was comparable to number of cruisers in the Royal Navy, not even destroyers.
It matters little.
Aircraft possess unprecedented ability to rapidly concentrate(if there is sufficient airfield capacity within range), strike, repeat if necessary, and so on.
If archer is any good, prioritizing arrows over the archer is a loosing game.

 

[antiterror13]

Uhh, search J-21 and J-31. Since the FC-31 was not accepted for PLAAF service, speculation on its designation varied.

As for the Arleigh Burkes, their stated price is 1.86 bn. Okay, so I mistyped tr when I meant bn. The point is, Arleigh Burkes are much cheaper than super carriers and can carry a lot of instantaneous firepower.

What I'm worried about is that advancements in naval weapons are such that the old formula of air > ship no longer applies; aircraft can now be shot down before they can launch their missiles, and once the missiles are launched, the missiles can be shot down by the ship's defense systems.

Remember, when it comes to defensive shells, quantity has a quality all its own. The entire USN fleet is 64 Arleigh Burkes, meaning you'd get around 6000 VLS canisters. Compare that to roughly 300 Flankers in the Chinese inventory; if each carries two YJ-12s, then you'd have 10x the VLS to intercept each missile.

How would the USN put all AB against China Navy? ... also Flanker is not the only jet fighter China have (note and it is not 300 anyway ... more likely 600-700), remember also bomber, UAV, missile boats (022), light frigates (056), frigates(054x), destroyers (052x) and super destroyers (055x) .. also coastal defence missile force, etc, etc

 

[Deino]

Guys ... we are in the J-XY-thread and not in one discussing USV vs. PLAN naval warfare issues.

Thanks,
Deino

 

[SinoSoldier]

Anyone know how credible "书房点兵" is?

成克希德的产能，都被空兔给彻底的把死了吃定了，海兔要想尽快拿到四代机，并尽快形成战斗力，也只能是打沈霍伊鹘鹰的主意了……
相比较于成飞黑丝特立独行剑走偏锋的设计思路（这也是没办法的办法），沈飞鹘鹰的设计思路其实是更接近于美帝的四代机，现阶段，在发动机和材料技术，我兔都与美帝存在较大茶具的情况下，这种相似的设计思路做出来的鹘鹰，与美帝的四代机对决，肯定是没啥好果子可吃，这一点，也是鹘鹰在国内四代机选型中败给成飞黑丝的主要原因……
燃鹅！从长远来看（其实也没有多远了），随着我兔的发动机和材料技术的迅速发展，与美帝的茶具，正在不断缩小之中，缩小到一定程度，鹘鹰在空优作战中正面PK肥电，未必木有胜算，毕竟，我鹘鹰是双发机，而且还是比较骨感的双发机……至于对地对舰攻击的任务，海兔有十五，空兔有十六，说好的四三结合呢？说好的高低搭配呢？
未来双方航母对决，只要鹘鹰能在制空战中按得住肥电，飞鲨在反舰战中就绝不会输给大黄蜂……
当然，如果对决的战场，是在不远离东亚大陆的某些近海海域的话，我兔空军的黑丝，是不会介意上来给海兔搭把手参与一下滴……不是参与制空，而是参与踹门！隐形远程突袭——踹航母之门！

 

[mys_721tx]

A selected translation:

... The design philosophy of FC-31 is similar to that of American fourth generation fighter. Due to the currently inferior Chinese engine and material technology, a fight with American fourth generation fighters does not bode well for FC-31. And this is the reason FC-31 lost to J-20 in the competition. However, in the long term, FC-31 will have some chance to win with some upgrades... If FC-31 can achieve parity with F-35 in air combat, J-15 won't perform worse than F/A-18 in anti ship sorties....

The mean assumption of this is that FC-31 can achieve similar engine performance to or at least catch on with that of F-35. If we assume that F-35 and FC-31 have similar electric capability and similar support from other units, his comment sounds reasonable. However, how much of the assumptions reflect reality should be another discussion on its own right.

 

[SinoSoldier]

A selected translation:


The mean assumption of this is that FC-31 can achieve similar engine performance to or at least catch on with that of F-35. If we assume that F-35 and FC-31 have similar electric capability and similar support from other units, his comment sounds reasonable. However, how much of the assumptions reflect reality should be another discussion on its own right.

I thought the FC-31 design had already "won" (if there ever was a competition in the first place) if we go by what "PB" and other insiders have recently said.
Also, engine and materials technology are tied to both the FC-31 and J-20 programs, not just one of them.

 

[mys_721tx]

I thought the FC-31 design had already "won" (if there ever was a competition in the first place) if we go by what "PB" and other insiders have recently said.
Also, engine and materials technology are tied to both the FC-31 and J-20 programs, not just one of them.

Based on the context, the competition was the J-XX program for the Air Force. Unfortunately I left this part out in my translation.

The Navy picked FC-31 because when the Air Force's J-20 order has exhausted CAC's production capability, FC-31 is the next best thing for them to have fourth generation fighters.

 

[Lethe]

One would hope and assume that China's industrial policies are not that myopic and rigid. Even if they did not want to expand CAC's production capacity, they should be able to task SAC facilities to build J-20 as well if that were desired.

 

[latenlazy]

One would hope and assume that China's industrial policies are not that myopic and rigid. Even if they did not want to expand CAC's production capacity, they should be able to task SAC facilities to build J-20 as well if that were desired.

It’s less a problem of industrial policy and more a problem of capacity lead time, I think.