J-20... The New Generation Fighter

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70092 said:
According to a guy working in CAC, this fan's art looks 95+% like the real thing, besides the leading edge at the tail is still a little bit shorter than the real thing.

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Oh dear lol.... Let's hope it looks better in the real thing. (So stubby!... And the wings look too small for the fuselage..)

I think the nozzles are probably a figment of the artist's imagination. We've seen no F-22style or even F-15 VISTA/ACTIVE (whatever it was - the F-15 with the canards and flat nozzles) type rectangular exhausts from China... They'll probably be just round ones with 3D TVC.
 
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lol if that design its true it'd be the first time ever that the Chinese came up with something that looks as impressive as an American aircraft LOL
 
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Deino, I really dont know the exact time, but I think from all informations I get, its should be soon (e.g. 2010 or 2011).

Bltizo said:
Oh dear lol.... Let's hope it looks better in the real thing. (So stubby!... And the wings look too small for the fuselage..)

I think the nozzles are probably a figment of the artist's imagination. We've seen no F-22style or even F-15 VISTA/ACTIVE (whatever it was - the F-15 with the canards and flat nozzles) type rectangular exhausts from China... They'll probably be just round ones with 3D TVC.
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Lol, I am afraid you will be diappointed, I think the real thing will be most likely quite stubby-looking, especially the top view, since it is know has installed a pairs of very large leading edge/strakes, so from the top view, the fighter will looks fat

Someone who have saw the real thing, described it as a "frog".
 
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pla101prc said:
lol if that design its true it'd be the first time ever that the Chinese came up with something that looks as impressive as an American aircraft LOL
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Lol, it seems that they get smarter recently, J/K

Well, jokes aside, it is natural when the large scale of wind-tunnels are in place, do you know how many money they put to update/expand their wind tunnels since 1990s, now we have the third largest wind-tunnel complexes in the world, and will soon to become the 2nd.

Skywatcher said:
I thought it would have incorporated moving LERXs like the T-50?
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Yes, it have, but that's just a fan's art, that fanboy don't know alot of 2D/3D art softwares, also, F-23 also get moving LERXs but from a top-view you can not tell it as easy as you do with the pak-fa.
 
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Bltizo said:
Oh dear lol.... Let's hope it looks better in the real thing. (So stubby!... And the wings look too small for the fuselage..)

I think the nozzles are probably a figment of the artist's imagination. We've seen no F-22style or even F-15 VISTA/ACTIVE (whatever it was - the F-15 with the canards and flat nozzles) type rectangular exhausts from China... They'll probably be just round ones with 3D TVC.
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My amateur eyes seem to tell me that most of the stealth planes look kind "stubby". B2, F116A, F22, F35 and even the T-50. If you look from the top, they all look fat.
 
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70092 said:
Lol, it seems that they get smarter recently, J/K

Well, jokes aside, it is natural when the large scale of wind-tunnels are in place, do you know how many money they put to update/expand their wind tunnels since 1990s, now we have the third largest wind-tunnel complexes in the world, and will soon to become the 2nd.



Yes, it have, but that's just a fan's art, that fanboy don't know alot of 2D/3D art softwares, also, F-23 also get moving LERXs but from a top-view you can not tell it as easy as you do with the pak-fa.
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Personally I find it hard to believe that the plane will have canards, I think if canards made sense then the Russians or Americans would have used them.
 
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My amateur eyes seem to tell me that most of the stealth planes look kind "stubby". B2, F116A, F22, F35 and even the T-50. If you look from the top, they all look fat.
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True, but like this fan art has the nose and cockpit/fuselage part be like half of the whole plane's surface area (practically).
I think I should've said "whoa this nose is huge" instead. But I suppose as long as it performs well it shouldn't matter... (but also there is that idea that planes which perform well usually look good... meh).
 
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Personally I find it hard to believe that the plane will have canards, I think if canards made sense then the Russians or Americans would have used them.
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Different objectives and different requirements, different times, J-XX's layout is determined in 2001, thats about 15 years later than F-22's layout get finalized.

Following your logic, it is hard to believe F-22 can be stealth considering F-22 looks so different to the first stealth aircraft, F-117A built just 10 years earlier.
 
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Centrist said:
I always thought the exhaust nozzles would by of the 3D thrust vectoring type...like the Russians, not a 2D F-22-style nozzle.
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3D nozzles require complex flight control system and are a nightmare to maintain, while 2D nozzles are easier to implement, easier to maintain, and the arrangement like F-22's can flatten the aft-fuselage to provide extra lift and reduce drag.

Centrist said:
Personally I find it hard to believe that the plane will have canards, I think if canards made sense then the Russians or Americans would have used them.
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Keep in mind that F-22 was designed in the 80's, understanding in flight control and aerodynamics improved significantly since then, while PAK-FA is just something the Russian thrown together so they have something to show the world.
 
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