J-20... The New Generation Fighter

maffiaw said:

I wonder how much of that paragraph is true.

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" India has taken note of the J-20 and has launched an official study on it" probably only that part

Perhaps the maiden flight is not meant for public viewing after all.

The decision-makers really need to grow a pair of balls if the reluctance arose from fear of failure.

Yes, I'm pissed...

BAJRANGBAL said:

Chinese production capability is probably the best in the world, PLAAF can get hundreds J-20’s within a very short span.



Also the aircraft is as good as its pilots and according to American, Japanese and Taiwanese assessments the Chinese pilots are not as skilled as American, Indian and Japanese pilots who have International exposure in air combat. Also the PLAAF is unproven force where as most of its adversaries are combat experienced.

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Read through the first few paragraphs briefly... but found quite a lot of things that I cannot agreed with. More detail reading into this material and I will confirm find more things that are simply not true.


1) The Chinese might have good manufacturing capability. But this is building of a plane and not some MP3 players. This is high-tech equipment that is very expensive and although China is quite rich now, she didn't have unlimited resources. So how does the figure of a few hundreds in a short time span came about? Plus by short, what is the quantitative measure was it - 1 month? 1 year? 5 years? 10 years?

2) What combat experience do the Indians have? What combat experience do the Japanese have? and what combat experience do the Taiwanese have? Also what combat experience do the South Korean have? Note that Indo-Pakistani war is over a long time ago, WWII whereby the Japanese had huge combat experience, are over a long time ago. Korean war was over a long time ago... Chinese civil war are a long time ago. Nowadays, all these mentioned countries had no real combat experience.

Also China's most immediate enemies do not have real aerial combat experience...

BAJRANGBAL said:

The J-20 will mostly enter service in the 2020 time frame and by than the PLAAF will have approximately 200 Chinese made Flanker series aircrafts along with some 500 J-10 series aircrafts. Most of the older inventory will be retired. The order for J-20 could well go above 500. However the US Navy will itself have some 700 Hornet series aircraft along with hundreds other much more advance fighters with her allies namely Taiwan, Japan and South Korea. India will also have about 600 advance 4th Gen aircrafts. So though the PLAAF air fleet is sizable it is still not comparably with a larger and much more advance American fleet and a smaller but a more advance Indian Fleet.

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3) This is what I call plucking figures out of thin air. Where does the author get all his figures? Although he placed the word approximately but there simply was no references or formula behind these bullshit. Plus (note, I am not putting the Indians down, have nothing against them) but how do the figure of 600 advance 4th generation aircrafts came about? Do they build it themselves or do they have to buy them. And it is not as if China do not have allies of her own too. And why is India's air force smaller but more advance? What indigenous planes to they have now and in great quantity that are actually more advance than the Chinese?

So far China had quite an advance aerial industry, and by 2020 timeframe, I believe they would have solved their problems in building quality turbofan engines for their aircrafts.

rhino123 said:

By the way, who is the person who started the rumour that J-20 will fly today? Is there an official statement or just pure speculation since the Big Shot are coming down? Maybe the agenda was just for the big shot to see the progress of the plane and how advance it was... all the system and stuff. And when final tuning was completed, then the big shot will get to see it fly.



And if that was pure speculation, what is there to be so disappointed about. And whats with the 'thumb down', afterall there is no official statement telling anyone that the plane will fly and it is up to us to want to believe it or not.

Also... we are only just seeing the photographs of the J-10 last month or so, they are just prototype, might not even be a flying samples... and do you know how long it get the F-22 or T-50 to fly? Might be longer or the same. Note that, whatever we didn't see, does not mean it was not there. The Russian and the American might have taken a long period of time to get their 5th generation fighter making maiden flight too.

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The down side is that it gives some credence to some western claims that it is no more than a demonstration model and if it was just for a political statement , i dont think it did anything.

seems that the delay is due to bad weather. they're not so worried about the weather affecting the plane but rather because it got very cloudy after noon and the ground could not get a clear view if the plane flew and im pretty sure it'll piss the hell outta the officials if they cant see the plane. they're probably just waiting for the clouds to clear over the next few days. if you've seen flight tests of previous chinese planes its always on a clear days with nice blue skies, never on a cloudy day

I have a feeling that the initial fund for this project will be dried up soon. In order to get more funding, they have to show all the big wigs and high rank officers on what they've achieved so far. I am afraid that the prototype might not be able to fly.

I hope my gut feeling is wrong.

bladerunner said:

The down side is that it gives some credence to some western claims that it is no more than a demonstration model and if it was just for a political statement , i dont think it did anything.

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True. But facts is, the chinese never officially claim that they will fly the plane today. And they also do not need to heed whatever other third party country's claim and expectation. Afterall this is China's project and the chinese can do whatever they want with their project. Heck... they might even fly the plane once everyone was out of sight.

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Perhaps, there is a political angle on the delay of J-20 flight for the general public.

Defense Secretary Robert Gates is visiting China next week.
Secretary Gates has been very nice and not belligerent toward China.

China collective Central Leadership respect Mr. Gates and feel there is no need to embarrass Mr. Gates at all.
Thus, the general public show of force of flying J-20 was postponed until Mr. Gates departs from China.
By watching J-20 secret flight video was satisfying enough for the China Big Honchos.


Too bad the incompetent idiotic lowlife Rumsfeld and his thugs are no longer managing Pentagon.
Flying J-20 in front of Rumsfecal face and challenging him would make plenty of people around the world happy.

People are already declaring failure of the whole program. Is this like when one of China's satellite's malfunctioned a couple years back it was declared a disaster in confidence for all future Chinese satellite launches. Last year they just broke a record for satellite launches. Like it ends here based on speculation on an unofficially announced schedule. Dream on.

AssassinsMace said:

People are already declaring failure of the whole program. Is this like when one of China's satellite's malfunctioned a couple years back it was declared a disaster in confidence for all future Chinese satellite launches. Last year they just broke a record for satellite launches. Like it ends here based on speculation on an unofficially announced schedule. Dream on.

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they should have declared failure of the F-35 programme and DDX programme centuries ago then haha. bunch of hypocrites