J-20... The New Generation Fighter

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defaultuser1

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A rough translation of previous article.
Andrei Chang on "the fourth generation fighter with Chinese characteristics"

Today, Kanwa founder Andrei Chang said that the Factory 132 in Chengdu debut a four generations aircraft in December is real. He said this time the propaganda department of China Aviation Industry Group for this aircraft did not appear to be strictly controlled.

Andrei Chang said that this is a very mature and creative design, Chengdu 132 is a successful plant with a real strength, the winner should not be criticized (Stalin).

Andrei Chang believed the emergence of four generations fighter would bring a complete end to imitation of Chinese military aircraft industrial era. China would become one of the important pole of the world's aviation industry. He also again severely criticized Shenyang Aircraft Corporation cloning Su33 and Su27UBK and believed Shenyang Aircraft Corporation has the need to learn from Chengdu. "The former approach, resulting in a very bad influence on international relations, ruin the already fragile Russian-Chinese military cooperation, and is not necessary." Andrei Chang said.

Chengdu four generations aircraft has all moving vertical tail, section of the all movable acting delta wings, edge design, provide China's fourth generation aircraft with unprecedented maneuvering, especially lateral maneuvering, low maneuvering and to compensate for its inadequate vector propulsion technology. But the delta wing would sacrifice a certain degree of stealth, in spite of this 132 plants is pragmatic, when China stealth materials technology does not reach the level of F22, in order to make some kind of compensation for the high maneuvering, such a design is reasonable. " Andrei Chang said.

Andrei Chang said that it is worth noting that the aircraft is using engine that made in China, there is no installation of vectoring nozzle, this is a recognized proof of WS10 is accepted. It is also a pioneering undertaking in the history of international aviation, as a new aircraft in the flight test phase used a new engine.

Andrei Chang said that the large-scale body design and built-in internal bay are needed, so that J20 is actually a concept of multi-role fighter. After the installation of air refueling, the ability to launch long-range cruise missiles on Guam. At the same time when the next phase installation of large thrust engine, the rear fuselage needs to be properly expanded to accommodate more fans, so this design has some valid.

But Andrei Chang said that for the matter of stealth or the cruising speed, this aircraft does not meet the four generations of US-Russian aircraft and it can not reach the standard of four-generation fighter, it is a typical four generations fighter "with Chinese characteristics". In accordance with J20's empty weight and engine with after burn, the current J20 is incapable to reach supersonic cruise capability. It has no vector propulsion technology. With this alone, this aircraft does not meet the standard of the West and Russian four generations fighter. Furthermore, phased array radar development still requires at least 7-8 years. At the trial flights J20 aircraft is not equipped vector forward nozzle.

However, Andrei Chang said that within 10-15 years after the implementation of WS15 with an 15,000 kg large turbofan engines(the key is material) and active phased array radar, J20 will meet the standard of the Russia and the U.S. to become a fully capable four generations aircraft or even better in maneuvering.
Wow this plane is pretty disappointing. No thrust vectoring, no phased array radar and no supercruise?
 

rhino123

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Wow this plane is pretty disappointing. No thrust vectoring, no phased array radar and no supercruise?

I hope you have read through the rest of this forum thread... anyway, there are something that is quite puzzling on what this Andrei Chang had pointed out that is questionable.

But Andrei Chang said that for the matter of stealth or the cruising speed, this aircraft does not meet the four generations of US-Russian aircraft and it can not reach the standard of four-generation fighter, it is a typical four generations fighter "with Chinese characteristics". In accordance with J20's empty weight and engine with after burn, the current J20 is incapable to reach supersonic cruise capability. It has no vector propulsion technology. With this alone, this aircraft does not meet the standard of the West and Russian four generations fighter. Furthermore, phased array radar development still requires at least 7-8 years. At the trial flights J20 aircraft is not equipped vector forward nozzle.

The aircraft is just there when the photographs are being taken. And I believe Taxi run had been conducted. Other than that, the aircraft was pretty much on ground. How in the world would this Andrei Chang know that this aircraft lack of supercruise?

Plus did this analysis had any assess into the aircraft? If not how he know what type of radar was used and what type of radar that it did not use. And for that... how would he know if the aircraft is inferior when compared to the US and Russia?

What we are seeing is a prototype... station on ground... and then a taxi run, and that was about all. And suddenly this analysis could see so much into the entire project, as if he is part of the design team... highly questionable.
 

KYli

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The mainstream medias are reporting J20 now.

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China completes stealth fighter prototype

(AFP) – 1 hour ago

BEIJING — China appears to have completed a prototype of its first known stealth fighter, reports said Wednesday, highlighting Beijing's military modernisation days ahead of a visit by the US defence secretary.
 

Semi-Lobster

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WSJ reported this earlier today and then added the 2 pics later...

The embeded video is obviously to help people who don't follow defence news or developments really but its quite hilarious. It's all CHINA MILITARY BUILD UP. CHINA THREATENING ASIAN STABILITY. CHINA WILL USE THIS TO THREATEN ITS NEIGHBOURS. BE AFRAID. The written article itself is fine though which makes the contrast all the more strange.
 
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kyanges

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The thumbnail they chose to represent the video was all I needed to see to know their intended spin.

I mean just look at it... How misleading is that picture. XD .
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Engineer

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Here's another clumsy swing at trying interrupt China military aviation capabilities and the J-20 by 'professional journalists', this week, from flightglobal

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Anybody else finds it hilarious that China gets accused of copying when it builds an aircraft that remotely resembles another aircraft, then gets implicitly accused of coming up with a bad design when China comes up with something different? lol.
 

MwRYum

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Alright now I'm a almost a convert but, those who should've known better and supposed with better intel still in denial...

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To put it very short, Taiwan's defense intel staff calling the J-20 PS work at a parliament meeting...now, if J-20 does fly within the next few days, they'd look like massive idiots...

Anybody else finds it hilarious that China gets accused of copying when it builds an aircraft that remotely resembles another aircraft, then gets implicitly accused of coming up with a bad design when China comes up with something different? lol.

There's little can be done for it's like a known equation, like 4/2 has the same result as with 6/3, unless there's another novel way to approach this all stealth fighters would bear quite a few common external characteristics. It ain't like with planes in the past, to meet the stealth requirements those are the rules to follow.

What set apart China's from the rest is that China done so on its own, not as international consortium, no financial nor active technological assistance from other countries (hallmarks of aircraft projects nowadays). That's about only besides the US done so (F-22) when you talk about the 4th-gen fighters - Russia's T-50 getting India funding to push for the final product, Japan's ain't beyond mockup and just to shack US to sell F-22, Korea and Indonesia joined hands to R&D their own project....
 
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Quickie

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Anybody else finds it hilarious that China gets accused of copying when it builds an aircraft that remotely resembles another aircraft, then gets implicitly accused of coming up with a bad design when China comes up with something different? lol.


It's even more amazing when someone in that article sees DSI, canards, stealth shaping as 1980s technologies. I guess, for some people, a stealth fighter has to have the general shape of F-22 or T50 and non other.
 
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