J-20... The New Generation Fighter III

Deino said:

Brilliant ... so we can assume, the next phase of flight testing to begin ! ... which however will mean we won't see them as often as during the last months.

Deino

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And the third picture proves me correct in thinking that the main wheel doors are the same as before, it now just can be closed when the plane's on the ground. I'll bet they can make the 2001 do this just by adding a few lines in its software.

Player99 said:

Huh? Are we talking about the same thing?

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Guys, I picked up this bit about the J-2001:

At 1:30 this afternoon, 2001 took off. It came back about half an hour later. Before landing, it dumped lots of fuel, giving a magnificent view!

Around 4:00, it took off again.... And this time it never came back!! Then everybody on site left, leaving the wall climbers wondering: Where did it go? To Yanliang?

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It does, doesn't it?! Can you figure out why the door panel of the side weapon bay look so thick?

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It does, doesn't it?! Can you figure out why the door panel of the side weapon bay looks so thick?

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I was refering to the first of the 3 pictures in the previous post. You likely have mistaken the wheel bay panel for the side weapon bay panel.

Player99 said:

I'm thinking the opposite: We now have two publicly known J-20's to watch: 2002 in Chengdu and 2001 in Yanliang!

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Cool, this will be quite a get together, a lots of other aircraft too. Are these ? ? Hopefully the police forces there will tolerant, the are quite a few hotels next to the airbase, they gonna make so much money!

Quickie said:

I was refering to the first of the 3 pictures in the previous post. You likely have mistaken the wheel bay panel for the side weapon bay panel.

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Hehe, let's try and end the confusion here:

1. Someone says that in the first of the three picutures it was 2001;
2. I said: No, it should be 2002 becuase we don't see the hanging doors of the main landing wheels;
3. You then said something about the side weapon bay doors, which now I know why you brought it up;
4. But the those two side bay doors are a lot higher up comparing to the droopy doors for the main landing wheels...



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luhai said:

Will J-20 try to the do ski ramp there? Hopefully the police forces there will tolerant, the are quite a few hotels next to the airbase, they gonna make so much money!

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My understanding: The J-20 probably is not going to do the ski ramp anywhere before it gets inducted as an air superiority fighter first and in the shortest possible time period. After that, it may see itself transform into many variants, such as a Navy version, a fighter bomber, etc. in competition with SF's stealth counterpart.

Player99 said:

I'm afraid, Pepe, you didn't get the point... Um, I didn't make my point clear:

1、I was referring to the Chinese military fans' belief, not yours.

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OK

Player99 said:

2、When the J-20 was first conceived, there was only the F-22 that worried the Chinese. Then the F-35 came out, the belief is that the J-20's designers and PLAAF watched it and determined it was not as worthy an enemy as the F-22. So the benchmark for J-20 was still the F-22.

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When J-XX flew the F-35 was is test. It was conceived to fight all probable menaces including F-22, F-35, F/A-18E/F and F-15s...

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3、The belief is that the J-20 is to fight the F-22 and to crush the rest, including the F-35...and therefore, the F-35 is already obsolete, and the Japanese would be wasting money buying this aircraft with China in their mind.

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F-35 would be a dangerous opponent with a fantastic radar and good stealth characteristics. It would not be an easy task crush them...

Player99 said:

P.S. I am not trying to prove anything, as nobody knows enough to prove much of anything. I aim to present what many Chinese fans think or believe.

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None of us is trying to prove anything. I must say that I would love to see the Brazilian Air Force with any of them.

Cheers

Pepe

Player99 said:

I'm thinking the opposite: We now have two publicly known J-20's to watch: 2002 in Chengdu and 2001 in Yanliang!

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But we still can't watch the real J-20 testing AESA with 2D WS-15 nozzle in highly classify goby desert area...

The specification for J-20 will already have been long enough. If you go on to adapt it to use it from aircraft carriers you are likely to end up with a lemon. Much better to take the electronic equipment from J-20 and adapt that to naval use and design a new aircraft for it. While they are about it they might consider putting the main wheels in front of the center of gravity and design it to make use of EM cats built into the ski ramp.

Player99 said:

Hehe, let's try and end the confusion here:

1. Someone says that in the first of the three picutures it was 2001;
2. I said: No, it should be 2002 becuase we don't see the hanging doors of the main landing wheels;
3. You then said something about the side weapon bay doors, which now I know why you brought it up;
4. But the those two side bay doors are a lot higher up comparing to the droopy doors for the main landing wheels...

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For some reason I imagined the main wheel bay doors opened from the top, which makes me wonder why they didn't design it that way. Anyway, I was saying the "Star" seemed to be a bit low for it to be 2002 although I'm not 100% sure. Both 2002 and 2001 can leave its mwb doors opened, so this won't indicate which is which.

Bltizo said:

yes externally there doesn't seem to be any change but the different opening/closing sequence of the doors (in my mind) means it's a different "mechanism". Whether it be a different bit of code or a slight reworking of internals to facilitate this change, the change is still there. But that's semantics

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I thought you might've meant that. I couldn't think of another word to describe it either. Just as I was typing this, I had another thought. Maybe it works like this on the 2001 too, but for whatever testing purposes, they intentionally never closed the front doors.

I'm not sure we'll ever know.


In any case, like Quickie mentioned in his post right before this one, I wonder why the door wasn't designed to swing up in the first place. These engineers and designers wouldn't gloss over a detail like this, so there must be a good reason.

Umm so this apparently happened?



Looks like the landing gear mechanism wasnt' changed after all? lol