peperez
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In the first strike, F-35 would use only internal stores. After enemy supression, they would use full loads. That's the proposed doctrine.
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Pepe
J-20... The New Generation Fighter III
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In the first strike, F-35 would use only internal stores. After enemy supression, they would use full loads. That's the proposed doctrine.
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Pepe
That's true. Do you know, Brat, that these artists in China used to have a habit of adding rocket launchers to each and every fighters in their drawing... Actually, I heard of this on fourms like this.
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Personally, I believe the J-20 will be equiped to be able to carry external loads. But I don't recall reading anything that says about its design in this regard.
peperez
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Sorry, but "Lenta" & "Zelin" .... !!!
Surely the T-50 is the BEST and besides that the RuAF will update their bomber-fleet, develop a new stealth-bomber, will introduce three squadrons of T-50 and they will get an operational Su-25 replacement by 2020, the RuNavy will receive five carrier-battle groups .... !
Come on they have election time ... so please let us be a little more realistic.
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The T-50 is a fantastic plane and the Indians are very satisfied with the project AND the amount of ToT evolved. They even proposed to a Brazilian Defense Ministry visiting committee to cooperate in a new 5th generation project based on technology transfered by Russia. Don't forget that T-50s engines nozzles move in all directions and, at close combat, it will need very little rudder movement. Why they are buying Rafales? Because they need planes immediately to substitute a lot of old, obsolete and even dangerous equipment. Remember they reject the fantastic F-35s offer. Possibly, they have better alternatives...
About the J-20, I bet it will be a fantastic plane but China and Russia could benefit from each other experience. The Chinese experience in electronics is enhancing faster than Russian one, but no one can underestimate Russia's aerodynamics capability.
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One of the most important criteria for a 5th gen fighter is Stealth or heavy reduction of RCS...
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So the same plane has to go back to base and reload using external weapons after they used up all of its internal weapons?
peperez
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And the T-50 is very stealthy, a lot more than the F-35 and less than the F-22 (at the rear end). It is intended as a defensive fighter, so, the RCS reduction was concentrate at the FRONT. That's why Indians snub F-35 offer that also takes few care at the rear end. It's usual for Americans understimate other nations achivements. T-50 AND J-20 are real treats to US air supremacy, based on F-35 superiority.
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So the same plane has to go back to base and reload using external weapons after they used up all of its internal weapons?
Yehp! Use the stealth while the enemy still has a good amount of air power. After you suppressed it, attack with full load. As Mr. Spock used to say: "It's logical!"
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4 years frm now...
That's true. Do you know, Brat, that these artists in China used to have a habit of adding rocket launchers to each and every fighters in their drawing... Actually, I heard of this on fourms like this.
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Personally, I believe the J-20 will be equiped to be able to carry external loads. But I don't recall reading anything that says about its design in this regard.
Well I was never an artist, although I drew lots of crude looking airplanes, and One good looking airplane, they all had guns, its kind of a guy thang, my wife tells me that I'm still stuck in the 70's? I absolutely concur that somebody had seen the J-20, and to be honest lots of guys make a good living out of drawing our favorite airplanes. The J-20 is either gorgeous or ordinary depending on the artist, the poor little F-35 always looks a little dumpy from the side, but is attractive from several angles, although the T-50 vertical stabs appear slightly small, it doesn't have a bad angle, after watching the Raptor at Oskosh, I am still in love, and am sick that production was discontinued. I am fairly certain that as the flight envelope is expanded with the J-20, we will see a more typical flight test pattern of fly a little, tweak a lot, I would bet good money that the J-20 hasn't been to far into post-stall regime, but when they do, the drag chute, may become the spin chute, may be no sweat, maybe a glute clincher? Thats why they call it flight testing, those things will determine what form and flight characteristics the J-20 will embody. I know everyone takes offense at the term interceptor, but in the real world, turning and burning is a low energy-high thrust-high risk environment.
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So the same plane has to go back to base and reload using external weapons after they used up all of its internal weapons?
In any truly high risk environment the Raptor is going to be the go to bird, and as of today, it is still the only operational fifth gen fighter, depending on the economy? who knows who will be flying what in the future, and at what date, the J-20 is in a good situation economically, realize that the Raptor first flew in 1995, and wasn't IOC until 2005, and there are lots of hurdles in this level of aircraft. Having said that to answer your question the F-35 would operate on internal stores only in a high risk environment, and would do so until the risk has been lowered. It is still quite capable and I apologize if my initial statement may imply otherwise, thats actually why she looks a little "chesty"! My real concern with the F-35 is that everything hangs on stealth an super-zoot weapons sytems, and an overall systems approach. The Raptor in comparison is very fast in super-cruise, very agile if you do get drawn into the turn and burn, and you can leave if things aren't going your way, call them the three aces up your sleeve? Remember, in a gunfight, cheat, cheat, cheat, the other guy may say you cheated but, thats why I always say it doesn't matter if you were the smart guy that dreamed up the tech, or if you bought it, or if you "borrowed"? it. Remember, we had the coolest, quitest. awwsomest, submarine perpellor, till some guy named Walker, shared it with his "friends" and yes I know its called a screw.
While reading your first paragraph, I seriously thought you were being sarcastic...
peperez
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May be I have info that is not available to you. I'm serious and I don't need to be sarcastic. The T-50 is a great aircraft and the program is going smoothly, more than we can say about some of the F-35 versions.
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