J-20... The New Generation Fighter III

Bltizo said:

I have an idea as to why CAC chose 2002 for their second flying prototype (I think we can agree this isn't a static test bed).Remember last year when we first saw 2001 come out? Well there was that controversy as to whether there was one or two J-20s numbered 2001, one equipped with Al-31, one equipped with the silver nozzles. My line of thought is that they're using the Al-31 2001 as the static test frame (why they needed two 2001 aircraft we are all imaginative enough to think up plausible reasons i think), and so they're in the rare situation where the xxx2 number is free, and they haven't flown a second prototype yet.

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So you're saying they have used the 2001(with al-31) as a static test airframe and after they have "changed" the engine to the silver nozzles one which made 2001 became finally the "real" prototype??

Bltizo said:

Unfortunately it doesn't look like it.
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Ohh, I really don't mind or even complain (and again with Your explanation - I always thougth that there's a prototype (the second 2001 + AL-31FN) similar to the Sukhoi T-50-KNS only used for taxi/system tests).

But anyway it is definitly a different aircraft and if they want to number it 2002, then please do so ... :china:

Deino

escobar said:

So you're saying they have used the 2001(with al-31) as a static test airframe and after they have "changed" the engine to the silver nozzles one which made 2001 became finally the "real" prototype??

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No, I'm saying there were two 2001 prototypes in the first place, one with al-31, one with the silver nozzles.
The idea is that the Al-31 one underwent initial taxi tests or even a flight test or two, before it was shoved away as the static test frame. The silver nozzle 2001 took the flight tests from there. The main idea is that there were TWO 2001 prototypes.

I edited my last post to clarify it.

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Deino said:

Ohh, I really don't mind or even complain (and again with Your explanation - I always thougth that there's a prototype (the second 2001 + AL-31FN) similar to the Sukhoi T-50-KNS only used for taxi/system tests).

But anyway it is definitly a different aircraft and if they want to number it 2002, then please do so ... :china:

Deino

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Lol yeah, I use "unfortunately," because if it was 2003 we would be in an easier position to argue that it would likely have been equipped with mission avionics, whereas simply changing the "3" to a "2" throws up a few small hurdles and casts doubt as to whether CAC are sticking to their old system.
Also, it'll be harder to predict what kind of prototype sequences we'll see from CAC in future, for both J-20 prototypes and later aircraft.

siegecrossbow said:

Wall climbers from **** verified that the new designation is 2002. Let us wait for the photos.

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I seem to have gotten my news more often from here first, which prompts me then to go to the Chinese sites for more. But more and more, I found myself prefering just to read here for the far higher S/N ratio of the messages.

... hmmm ...seems so !

Player99 said:

I seem to have gotten my news more often from here first, which prompts me then to go to the Chinese sites for more. But more and more, I found myself prefering just to read here for the far higher S/N ratio of the messages.

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You guys remind me of the way I used to be on Christmas eve, I couldn't sleep thinking about what might be under the tree, happy palm Sunday to all my brothers, and Merry Christmas to all you J bird watchers, yes we're all just grown up little boys. Now once you guys get your new toys, maybe they'll put my Raptor back in production and we can all play airplanes together. I really am about as excited as you guys.

escobar said:

I agree, the position of the air data probe looks different from that of 2001.
What are those red things? Cover?
And finally why 2002?

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2000 was the static test bed.

Exciting times ago.. Just like striptease show. Now we see the nose, slowly we are anticipating for the body and back side are what all watchers awaiting for. LOL..

From FY ID 起个名想半天

J-20 2002 (Click for original size image)

Bltizo said:

Honestly I wouldn't try to extrapolate too much from it. The differences could easily just be down to sloppiness on the part of the model maker, and for all we know it isn't in CAC at all.

It doesn't look like a model either, looks like some kind of weird hologram

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If it is a wind tunnel model there will be no sloppiness on the part of the model maker. But there will be an attachment for the sting carrying the model during wind tunnel tests.