J-20... The New Generation Fighter III

Lion · Mar 13, 2012

escobar said:

It's not a surprised... I alway long advocate J-20 will enter service soon. The past expected service date of 2017-2018 is unrealistic for J-20. USAF by that time(2018)will already have F-22 block 2. Then PLAAF will again be disadvantage

2013 and 2014 operation for J-20 will be the most likely date. American that time most likely still using the current F-22. It will be a fair or advantage for J-20

Also the J-20 flying at Chengu is most likely just a PR stunt to boast nationalism sentiment and act as a warning to China's enemy..

The real intensive test is hiding from public eye(probably in inner mongolia) with 2-3 J-20 flying around doing all kind of neccessary test to fasten the induction of J-20.

Speeder · Mar 13, 2012

Lion said:
Also the J-20 flying at Chengu is most likely just a PR stunt to boast nationalism sentiment and act as a warning to China's enemy..

The real intensive test is hiding from public eye(probably in inner mongolia) with 2-3 J-20 flying around doing all kind of neccessary test to fasten the induction of J-20.

I've realised that since the day 1. Can't remember since when transparent CPC has allowed the world to openly film one of its most secret military assets gratis and update its daily progress on youtube...

Unlike too-big-to-hide Varyag, J-20 is as portable to the military as iPhone to you and me. The fact that people generally assume its public debut (Gate's arival date) was among the early days when it went on trial( from there estimate the whole induction process) could likely be proven to be an elementary-level mistake.

Another obvious sign of being dubbed is that what's rationale for new(yet-to-proven) plane with a new(yet-to-proven) engine flying(almost daily) right next to downtown chengdu, a major population centre? Did the first prototype of F-22 conduct its early trials on top of Chicago or what?

If what we're witnessing in chengdu is the past as it logically is, I say the most uptodate J-20s (prototype III, at least II) perhaps have already been flying with 3D TVC like a***-less chicken somewhere in the Gobi Desert.

Lion · Mar 13, 2012

Speeder said:
I've realised that since the day 1. Can't remember since when transparent CPC has allowed the world to openly film one of its most secret military assets gratis and update its daily progress on youtube...

Unlike too-big-to-hide Varyag, J-20 is as portable to the military as iPhone to you and me. The fact that people generally assume its public debut (Gate's arival date) was among the early days when it went on trial( from there estimate the whole induction process) could likely be proven to be an elementary-level mistake.

Another obviously sign of being dubbed is that what's rationale for new(yet-to-proven) plane with a new(yet-to-proven) engine flying right next to downtown chengdu, a major population centre? Did the first prototype of F-22 conduct its early (almost daily) trials on top of Chicago or what?

If what we're witnessing in chengdu is the past as it logically is, I say the most uptodate J-20s (prototype III with flat nozzles a la F-22? at least II) perhaps have already been flying with 3D TVC like a***-less chicken somewhere in the Gobi Desert.

Great mind think alike.. That is precisely what I am always think about. And I thought its not hard to take that assumption but surprisely, many forumer including those China supporter seems to reject such thought. Now with a hight ranking CPC member declare that(Soon) date. Mine and yrs assumption are now very likely be truth...

Probably, we will never see the few J-20 proto type doing test concurrently. But right in our analysis, its there.. Regarding flying with 3D TVC, YES!!! Another high chance is happening.

i.e. · Mar 13, 2012

Speeder said:
I've realised that since the day 1. Can't remember since when transparent CPC has allowed the world to openly film one of its most secret military assets gratis and update its daily progress on youtube...

Unlike too-big-to-hide Varyag, J-20 is as portable to the military as iPhone to you and me. The fact that people generally assume its public debut (Gate's arival date) was among the early days when it went on trial( from there estimate the whole induction process) could likely be proven to be an elementary-level mistake.

Another obvious sign of being dubbed is that what's rationale for new(yet-to-proven) plane with a new(yet-to-proven) engine flying(almost daily) right next to downtown chengdu, a major population centre? Did the first prototype of F-22 conduct its early trials on top of Chicago or what?

If what we're witnessing in chengdu is the past as it logically is, I say the most uptodate J-20s (prototype III, at least II) perhaps have already been flying with 3D TVC like a***-less chicken somewhere in the Gobi Desert.

Sorry you are wrong.

The fact is the current level of "secrecy" is not different from the days of J-10 developement. those amongst us who has watched J-10 grow up around Chengdu can atest to taht fact.

It is just that the days of internet is here.

There is no "relax" of secrecy or a campaign of mis-information. They are too internally focused to do that.

It is your mind playing tricks with you.

Lion · Mar 13, 2012

i.e. said:
Sorry you are wrong.

The fact is the current level of "secrecy" is not different from the days of J-10 developement. those amongst us who has watched J-10 grow up around Chengdu can atest to taht fact.

It is just that the days of internet is here.

There is no "relax" of secrecy or a campaign of mis-information. They are too internally focused to do that.

It is your mind playing tricks with you.

Wrong.. I know you just trying to play devil's advocate.

i.e. · Mar 13, 2012

Lion said:
Wrong.. I know you just trying to play devil's advocate.

in 1997 i can go onto the dirt ramp next to Huangtianba field in Chengdu and watch J-10 prototype #1 do its thang.

in 2012 i can go onto the (same) dirt ramp next to Huangtianba field in Chengdu and watch J-20 prototype #1 do its thang.

What is the difference?

siegecrossbow · Mar 13, 2012

i.e. has a point. It is very difficult censoring news nowadays due to the wide availability in internet access.

Back in the late 2000s one wall climber actually leaked photos of the J-10 on the internet. It was rumored that he was detained for a few days and all of the photographs were taken down. Try doing it now with J-20 photos...

I think urban development also had something to do with the current spike in wall climbers.

Lion · Mar 13, 2012

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siegecrossbow said:
i.e. has a point. It is very difficult censoring news nowadays due to the wide availability in internet access.

Back in the late 2000s one wall climber actually leaked photos of the J-10 on the internet. It was rumored that he was detained for a few days and all of the photographs were taken down. Try doing it now with J-20 photos...

I think urban development also had something to do with the current spike in wall climbers.

Remember the guy who photo J-11B and J-15B, go for a tea session with the Gong An. After that we don't see much about J-15 with serial number. But that is not the point...

Now a big shot from CPC already declare J-20 is going to be operational soon.. CPC big shot don't just say it for nothing.

When Deputy Commander of PLAAF declare J-20 is going to have its maiden flight soon. It really happens. For CPC, once you say the golden word. It must be done at all cost. They must be very confident to take that gamble. They don't say it for nothing.

siegecrossbow · Mar 13, 2012

Lion said:
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Remember the guy who photo J-11B and J-15B, go for a tea session with the Gong An. After that we don't see much about J-15 with serial number. But that is not the point...

Now a big shot from CPC already declare J-20 is going to be operational soon.. CPC big shot don't just say it for nothing.

When Deputy Commander of PLAAF declare J-20 is going to have its maiden flight soon. It really happens. For CPC, once you say the golden word. It must be done at all cost. They must be very confident to take that gamble. They don't say it for nothing.

The guy invited over for tea at the SAC was detained for a few hours while the guy who photoed J-10 was reportedly detained for days, or even a year! They simply can't afford to do a lot of the things that they used to do due to internet publicity.

Deino · Mar 13, 2012

....the aircrafts are expected to start serving in the near future.

IMO there's nothing wrong on that statement even if some here surely expect the first operational regiment to be operational, and that for sure will not happen as soon as some might hope.

If You simply compare with the J-10 then the J-10 officially "entered PLAAF-service" (I hope I'm not completely wrong) with the first aircraft delivered to a test regiment at the CFTE.

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