J-20... The New Generation Fighter III

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AssassinsMace

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Like the Russians would say anything else to the Indians, their primary export buyer and partner in the T-50? The Indians went for Rafales and the US wants to sell F-35s to India. What else are the Russians going to say?
 
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mack8

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franco-russe said:
For the record, the plan appears to acquire 60 PAK-FA (T-50) betweeen 2016 and 2020 (5 squadrons).

That appears to be in accordance with the rate of Russian fighter acquisitions between 2011 and 2015, when they intend to buy one squadron of SU-27SM3/SU-35S annually (12 + 48). They may also order 28 (or even 40) SU-30M2.
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Actually it's 28 or 40 Su-30SM, which are similar to MKI/MKA/MKM( aparently).:)
 
MiG-29

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Deino said:
Sorry, but "Lenta" & "Zelin" .... !!!;) What do You expect ?

Surely the T-50 is the BEST and besides that the RuAF will update their bomber-fleet, develop a new stealth-bomber, will introduce three squadrons of T-50 and they will get an operational Su-25 replacement by 2020, the RuNavy will receive five carrier-battle groups .... !:p

Come on they have election time ... so please let us be a little more realistic.

Deino

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If you noticed, the article does not mention stealth features, but performance wise characteristics, recently Sukhoi reported the T-50 patent where they disclosed some of the main design features of T-50

See

The vertical tails are also all-moving, a rather unusual approach. There are widely spaced in order to provide the necessary momentum arm but with a smaller surface

Engines are separated from each other horizontal and oriented at an acute angle to the plane symmetry plane in the direction of flight

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The original Russian patent explains better



расположены в in мотогондолах (6), разнесенных друг от друга по on горизонтали, оси двигателей ориентированы под острым углом к плоскости симметрии самолета по направлению полета.
Engines are separated from each other on horizontal а and axis oriented at an acute angle to the plane symmetry plane in the direction of flight

F-22 engine position disadvantages:
known disadvantages of the aircraft, you can specify the following: - Inability to control the channels roll and yaw when flying at low speeds, because the engines are located close to each other, which is not allows you to create an adequate management time


функцию сверхманевренности (Lockheed Martin F/A-22 Raptor: Stealth Fighter. Jay Miller. В качестве недостатков известного самолета можно указать следующее: - невозможность управления в каналах крена и рысканья при полете на малых - скоростях, поскольку двигатели расположены вплотную друг к другу, что не not позволяет создать достаточный для управления момент - расположение двигателей вплотную друг к другу делает невозможным - расположение в фюзеляже грузовых отсеков;изогнутая форма каналов воздухозаборников требует увеличения их длины, и, - следовательно, массы самолета

feature super maneuverability (Lockheed Martin F/A-22 Raptor: Stealth Fighter. Jay Miller. 2005). In 2005).As a well-known disadvantages of the aircraft, you can specify the following: Inability to control the channels roll and yaw when flying at low speeds, because the engines are located close to each other, which does not allows you to create an adequate management time; The engines close to each other makes it impossible location in the fuselage cargo compartments; - Curved air intake duct requires an increase in their length, and; hence, the mass of the aircraft

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What Zelin claims is also claimed by Sukhoi under the same design parameters, if that is true or not well time will tell and it is up to the layman reader to decide
 
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latenlazy

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MiG-29 said:
If you noticed, the article does not mention stealth features, but performance wise characteristics, recently Sukhoi reported the T-50 patent where they disclosed some of the main design features of T-50

See

The vertical tails are also all-moving, a rather unusual approach. There are widely spaced in order to provide the necessary momentum arm but with a smaller surface

Engines are separated from each other horizontal and oriented at an acute angle to the plane symmetry plane in the direction of flight

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The original Russian patent explains better



расположены в in мотогондолах (6), разнесенных друг от друга по on горизонтали, оси двигателей ориентированы под острым углом к плоскости симметрии самолета по направлению полета.
Engines are separated from each other on horizontal а and axis oriented at an acute angle to the plane symmetry plane in the direction of flight

F-22 engine position disadvantages:
known disadvantages of the aircraft, you can specify the following: - Inability to control the channels roll and yaw when flying at low speeds, because the engines are located close to each other, which is not allows you to create an adequate management time


функцию сверхманевренности (Lockheed Martin F/A-22 Raptor: Stealth Fighter. Jay Miller. В качестве недостатков известного самолета можно указать следующее: - невозможность управления в каналах крена и рысканья при полете на малых - скоростях, поскольку двигатели расположены вплотную друг к другу, что не not позволяет создать достаточный для управления момент - расположение двигателей вплотную друг к другу делает невозможным - расположение в фюзеляже грузовых отсеков;изогнутая форма каналов воздухозаборников требует увеличения их длины, и, - следовательно, массы самолета

feature super maneuverability (Lockheed Martin F/A-22 Raptor: Stealth Fighter. Jay Miller. 2005). In 2005).As a well-known disadvantages of the aircraft, you can specify the following: Inability to control the channels roll and yaw when flying at low speeds, because the engines are located close to each other, which does not allows you to create an adequate management time; The engines close to each other makes it impossible location in the fuselage cargo compartments; - Curved air intake duct requires an increase in their length, and; hence, the mass of the aircraft

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What Zelin claims is also claimed by Sukhoi under the same design parameters, if that is true or not well time will tell and it is up to the layman reader to decide
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As always, talking about qualitative features makes no sense without quantitative data.
 
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mack8

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franco-russe said:
Thanks, my sources had SU-30M2. Do you also know if Irkut has actually got this order yet?
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Well from what i can read around, it seems there were two Su-30SM under construction for RuAF last year, and the contract should be signed this year.

Anyway 'nuff about Sukhois ...so when we're gonna see the second J-20?:p
 
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“ According to the plan of the Ministry of Defence, the PAK-FA should be different from those of the previous generation of aircraft better on-board electronics, the presence of the "electronic pilot" and promising radar with a phased array… ”



Zelin and his "Electronic Pilot", eh? What the heck that is? Or he really meant electrified pilot? with a retractable vodka refiller needless to say?

To stay ahead, I say J-20 only needs to develop “Quantum Pilot” with a Karaoke-enabled hud that can simutaneously track 20 best Mahjong players within 500km. Now beat that! :p
 
Air Force Brat

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Come on mack, you can't talk to much about Sukhois, I will have to admit the T-50 wins the fifth gen beauty contest, and maybe the aerodynamic design contest, but first choice is still the Raptor for capability and stealth. I would agree though I am missing the Chendu Daily Airshow. IMHO they may well be changing out the engines and taking care of some of those little tweaks and big tweaks that all prototype aircraft need. I probably should have signed on as Flanker Fan? I love your question though, where is the second bird?
 
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mack8 said:
Actually it's 28 or 40 Su-30SM, which are similar to MKI/MKA/MKM( aparently).:)
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Sorry for being off-topic but to my knowledge they received Su-30M2 (=
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) but no MKI-like versions !

But anyway it seems as if the J-20 was out again.

Deino
 
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