J-20... The New Generation Fighter III

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Air Force Brat

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Thank you, I was simply stating that last several generations of USN carrier aircraft were equipped with two engines, the current J-35 B and C are a significant departure from what has become "Cultural" and likely desirable to those who actually operate those aircraft. The exception to that has been the Sea Harrier and the AV8-B in which the safety has been an ongoing concern not neccessarily by their single engine but by their intended function, taking off and landing vertically. That "cultural ideal of redundancy is as old a the aviation community and seems to cross civilian and military boundaries. It is somewhat difficult to put an aircrafts performance in perspective without context and that context is provided by simular aircraft with similar missions. Thats why the USAF chose the F-16 and the USN chose to build the FA-18, which received a performance upgrade by the Canadian military, much as a previous generation F-86 did when placed in Canadian service. I must say that when piloting single engine aircraft at night, even light aircraft, the possibility of having to make an off airport landing at night is daunting indeed, the old joke being when you "turn on the landing light, if you don't like what you see, turn it back off". My real point, getting back on topic, is that the J-20, as you so eloquently stated earlier would not be the first choice to develop a carrier doctrine for the PLAN, and given the complexity and inherant danger of all carrier operations, the J-20 should likely remain the Air Superiority aircraft it has been designed to be from the beginning. Honestly I believe peace will be better maintained when we all have parity, and the mutual respect that comes from said parity. No disrespect intended or implied, aircraft seem to turn out best, when they have specific purpose in mind, the old engineers addage is "Form follows Function". In other words how it looks is dictated by its intended function. As we observe how the other guys do it, we sometimes have a clearer vision of how we ought to do it.
 

delft

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I like twin-engined aircraft for use at sea, for VTOL and STOVL I prefer aircraft with just one engine. I once saw, in 1967, the the EWR VJ-101C, not on an airfield but inside the factory ( as well as the D0-31 ) and the notion of depending on six engines, two pairs at the wing tips and one pair behind the cockpit ) for vertical take off and landing horrified me ( Do-31 had four lift engine at the wing tips as well as a pair of Pegasus engines similar to those of Harrier - that looked equally sick ).
 

TerraN_EmpirE

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stranger still is lift jet based aircraft like the Yak 141, Yak 38, VFW VAK 191B, Dassault Mirage IIIV these are aircraft that utilize not a single engine but a large main engine often one augmented with additional smaller vertically mounted engines used only when in vertical or short take off although powerful the fuel consumption is amazing even vs harrier vtol which is no light drinker.
The worlds only truly successful Vtol Fighter the Harrier uses a single engine because of weight. The lighter the Plane the less thrust needed too get if off the deck.

When Comparing For Aircraft one must remember the mission needs twin engines are more effective for thrust vs a single engine the reason the J20 has twins is likely too enable massive power for such a large air frame vs a single engine like the J10 That although capable likely has a lower top speed and thrust ratio, Along with the secondary advantages of redundancy & Increased Payload. on the down sides fuel efficiency is not going too be as good complexity can be a problem.
Given the current state it's still up in the air if the J20 will even enter production sure she may look like a top contender but until production she seems only a demonstrator, and then One has too wonder what kind of changes will take place be fore production.
 

latenlazy

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stranger still is lift jet based aircraft like the Yak 141, Yak 38, VFW VAK 191B, Dassault Mirage IIIV these are aircraft that utilize not a single engine but a large main engine often one augmented with additional smaller vertically mounted engines used only when in vertical or short take off although powerful the fuel consumption is amazing even vs harrier vtol which is no light drinker.
The worlds only truly successful Vtol Fighter the Harrier uses a single engine because of weight. The lighter the Plane the less thrust needed too get if off the deck.

When Comparing For Aircraft one must remember the mission needs twin engines are more effective for thrust vs a single engine the reason the J20 has twins is likely too enable massive power for such a large air frame vs a single engine like the J10 That although capable likely has a lower top speed and thrust ratio, Along with the secondary advantages of redundancy & Increased Payload. on the down sides fuel efficiency is not going too be as good complexity can be a problem.
Given the current state it's still up in the air if the J20 will even enter production sure she may look like a top contender but until production she seems only a demonstrator, and then One has too wonder what kind of changes will take place be fore production.

China doesn't do demonstrators.
 

siegecrossbow

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Wasn't there at least one canard equipped J-8II flying around? Well, in spite of that, the J-20 seems too thoroughly designed to be a demonstrator.

J-8II ACT was designed to test the flight control systems for fourth gen. fighters such as the J-10.
 
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