J-20 5th Generation Fighter VII

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Michaelsinodef

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I doubt the top speed is all that hot. Airplanes with fixed intakes are typically designed for a given Mach range.
Even the Su-57 does not reach Mach 2.8 and that is with higher power engines, lighter weight, and variable intakes.
If J-20 reaches Mach 2.0 at all would be a good result I think.

Combat aircraft are often designed with Mach 1.2-1.8 in mind.

Mach 2.8 is like the speed of a MiG-31. At those speeds you need heat treatment of airframe and cockpit or else it melts due to air friction. In the MiG-31's case they used nickel plated steel in it. For the SR-71 the US used titanium. And for the Valkyrie the US used titanium-stainless steel honeycomb metal matrix composite materials I think.
Nah, I think very much that the J20 can surpass mach 2.0 for topspeed, but it's not 2.8 (although it could be anywhere from 2.1 to 2.7).

And like others have said, the SU-57 most likely arent better than the J20 in topspeed.
 

ougoah

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It was a fc-31 prototype from about ten years ago that had some 3D printed bulkheads. There was even a photograph of it with engineers posing with one of the bulkhead pieces. Maybe someone still has that photo saved somewhere to share.

J-20 may or may not have made use of 3D printing structural components. They don't say anything about the frame of in service frontline fighters and certainly won't be revealing much.

Fc-31 prototype was the first aircraft to make use of 3D printed structural sections back then literature and suggestions implied weight saving by going with additive manufacturing although this is unknown whether true and if so, how true on weight savings vs structural performance compromises if any.
 

Andy1974

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I don’t know how fast it goes, but these clams sound excessive to me, it’s not like we see other jets with the same engines having surprising speed.

I will be very impressed if it can reach Mach 2, which is much faster than F35.
 

taxiya

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How will top speed be mach 2.8 with the current engines.
You are mistaken in the relationship between speed and engine thrust.

Thrust is to accelerate and then counter the drag (air friction). Aircraft with a weak engine can reach very high speed so long as it can counter the drag at that speed. The drag is a product of the shape. A sleek body generates less drag therefor can reach high speed. The only difference between stronger and weaker engine on an specific air-frame is the former can reach that given speed faster.

Example is J-8 whose top speed is mach 2.3 even though its thrust to weight ratio is far lower than many later aircraft including J-20. J-20 has a body shape that is better suited for high speed than Su-57 and F-22. It is longer than its width in proportion similar to J-8. Even if its current engines are weaker, it is very likely to reach mach 2.3 or higher.
 

taxiya

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I don’t know how fast it goes, but these clams sound excessive to me, it’s not like we see other jets with the same engines having surprising speed.

I will be very impressed if it can reach Mach 2, which is much faster than F35.
Engine thrust is NOT the only factor determine the top speed. Air-frame shape is more important factor. This subject has been discussed to death in this forum.

J-8's top speed is mach 2.3 much much faster than F35. J-8's engine is much much weaker than J-20 or F35.

The reason is air-frame design, F35 is not designed for high speed, J-20 is. Put it simply, no matter how powerful your engine is you can not make a house fly supersonic.
 

sunnymaxi

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It may be already used in current production of J20.

Wang Huaming from BUAA gave a presentation in 2012. In it he said his team has made 3D printed load bearing components for new fighter aircraft which has passed 8000 hours fatigue test. That is the same time of J20 prototypes. They can't use is in prototypes because it is late, but serial production is vastly different from prototypes except the outward look. I really don't see any reason that they can't use it in serial production 10 years later.
Y-20 was the first cargo aircraft to use 3D printing technology to speed up its development and to lower its manufacturing cost. MBD is also used, and it's the third aircraft to utilize MBD technology in the world, after A380 (2000) and Boeing 787(2005). In addition to 3D printing, the Y-20 is also the first aircraft in China adopting associative design technology (ADT) in its development.

after all these developments, don't you think, the most prestigious aviation project in modern history of PRC, they didn't implement these latest manufacturing methods on J-20. its obvious.

all units of J-20 from 2019 onward have made with these latest technologies.
 

Michaelsinodef

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Y-20 was the first cargo aircraft to use 3D printing technology to speed up its development and to lower its manufacturing cost. MBD is also used, and it's the third aircraft to utilize MBD technology in the world, after A380 (2000) and Boeing 787(2005). In addition to 3D printing, the Y-20 is also the first aircraft in China adopting associative design technology (ADT) in its development.

after all these developments, don't you think, the most prestigious aviation project in modern history of PRC, they didn't implement these latest manufacturing methods on J-20. its obvious.

all units of J-20 from 2019 onward have made with these latest technologies.
Might also be why we have seen bigger production of the J20 from around the 2019ish.
 
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