J-20 5th Generation Fighter VII

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siegecrossbow

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put other things aside, i seriously doubt su-57 is lighter weightered given what Russian showed on how it was constructed.
the chinese has claimed multiple times that J-20 has 3d-printed mainframe where su-57 is still built in traditional rivet that requires a lot of additonal parts therefore weight

and no, that was not a variable intakes of su-57, a variable strake is not a variable intake

despite su-57 has a similar sweep angle to j-20 (47-48 degree if my memory is correct), but consider su-57 has much wider and the central lift body, the overall wetted surface is much larger therefore the overall drag especially in high speed would be much larger

so I seriously doublt su-57 has the similar or even close performance to j-20 at supersonic

J-20 does not use 3D printed mainframe. It does however employ titanium welding techniques that lightens the airframe significantly.
 

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I think J-35 is 3D printed mainframe since all the 3D printed news are coming from the north.
In terms of weight-saving is 3D print better than titanium welding?
Or the weight-saving benefits of 3D printing is more of a structural thing?

3D printing can save more weight than titanium welding, but the technology wasn't mature enough for production for the J-20.
 

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3D printing can save more weight than titanium welding, but the technology wasn't mature enough for production for the J-20.
It wasn't mature enough to build early J-20 prototypes before 2011. It is tested and verified by FC-31 since 2012. Now it is 11 years of testing and verification. It could be very mature. Also aircraft production method don't stay unchanged even for the same aircraft. 3D printing was used by F-18 (I think) in later variant, it isn't such a big deal. The only consideration is the change of mass distribution after using lighter 3D printed structure components. For J-20 we are talking about bulkhead which is very close to the centre of mass making the change relatively easy.
 

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It wasn't mature enough to build early J-20 prototypes before 2011. It is tested and verified by FC-31 since 2012. Now it is 11 years of testing and verification. It could be very mature. Also aircraft production method don't stay unchanged even for the same aircraft. 3D printing was used by F-18 (I think) in later variant, it isn't such a big deal. The only consideration is the change of mass distribution after using lighter 3D printed structure components. For J-20 we are talking about bulkhead which is very close to the centre of mass making the change relatively easy.
There is the J20B, it is not going to use old materials and methods is it? And if they have a new J20B are they not also going to use that for new single seats? Im sure all the J20 rolling off the line since J20B are brand new everything.
 

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taxiya

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There is the J20B, it is not going to use old materials and methods is it? And if they have a new J20B are they not also going to use that for new single seats? Im sure all the J20 rolling off the line since J20B are brand new everything.
It may be already used in current production of J20.

Wang Huaming from BUAA gave a presentation in 2012. In it he said his team has made 3D printed load bearing components for new fighter aircraft which has passed 8000 hours fatigue test. That is the same time of J20 prototypes. They can't use is in prototypes because it is late, but serial production is vastly different from prototypes except the outward look. I really don't see any reason that they can't use it in serial production 10 years later.
 
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