J-20 5th Generation Fighter VII

Maikeru said:

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So, I don't think this forum should be inherently opposed to youtube videos, that is to say, there is no blanket ban against them.

However, I think anyone who posts youtube videos of this kind, needs to give a clear description of why they think it is worth being posted here, rather than just linking to it without a comment with the equivalent of "here it is".


Instead, if such videos are posted, please make a thorough attempt to justify why it is worth our time.
Please do so.

Maikeru said:

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Well ... what shall I say??

Even as it seems he has my books, he is mixing several things and is (at least IMO) posting wrong stuff: For example, it entered service in late 2016 (not 2017), the J-20B is not the current serial variant, but the J-20A, he claims that following the first combat brigade, two more followed (actually we know only two at all right now) and again he claims there are between 120-150 operational already. I think in summary, ... a nice try - especially not to spread the typical bashing and bias - but surely not the best!

Deino said:

Well ... what shall I say??

Even as it seems he has my books, he is mixing several things and is (at least IMO) posting wrong stuff: For example, it entered service in late 2016 (not 2017), the J-20B is not the current serial variant, but the J-20A, he claims that following the first combat brigade, two more followed (actually we know only two at all right now) and again he claims there are between 120-150 operational already. I think in summary, ... a nice try - especially not to spread the typical bashing and bias - but surely not the best!

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Bltizo - noted.

Deino - I thought the most important thing he addressed was the issue of canards and stealth, that was something new I learned about how the J-20 deals with it whilst the Euro-canards appear not to.

Also I suspect the confusion about the numbers of J20s in service comes from an assumption that 3 entire brigades are fully equipped with it, whilst it may be that 1 or more brigades indeed operate J20 but only with 1 'flight group' (sorry I forget the correct term), not the whole brigade, the remainder of which still uses legacy aircraft.

I wonder if it possible to put targeting pod into J-20's side bay to give J-20 some ground attack capability without compromising it stealth.

Kejora said:

I wonder if it possible to put targeting pod into J-20's side bay to give J-20 some ground attack capability without compromising it stealth.

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The Problem with the side bay idea is that once it is opened, the aircraft's stealth is compromised. The whole mechanism is designed to open and close in rapid succession as the PL-10 is fired so as to preserve stealth integrity. Having a targeting pod would call for the side bay to be opened for prolonged periods... which then defeats the purpose of a stealth fighter. In that case the PLA might just be better off flying a non-stealthy J-16, which would also benefit from a larger weapons load/variety as compared to the J-20's restricted internal weapons bay.

The J-20, like the F-35, has a chin mounted EOTS as depicted below. With air superiority being the J-20's bread and butter, EOTS primarily functions in the air-to-air domain acquiring airborne targets that are otherwise more complicated to capture via it's AESA radar... but I imagine going forward it wouldn't be too far fetched to expand the EOTS's capabilities in some sort of a block upgrade to provide precision guidance (whether it be IR/LGB or TV guidance) to surface munitions, thereby giving the J-20 some sort of strategic strike capability.

Depending on enemy radar locations it’s possible to have 1 side bay deployed without being detected.

Also, if the deployed equipment is stealth itself then no compromise.

Seems like new fighter bomber based on J20?

Andy1974 said:

Depending on enemy radar locations it’s possible to have 1 side bay deployed without being detected.

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Problem is you don't always know where enemy radar is or how strong the enemy's radar range might be. What I'm getting at is that whole idea of a stealth fighter is to operate in contested non-permissive environment where the threats are almost certainly unknown.

Andy1974 said:

Also, if the deployed equipment is stealth itself then no compromise.

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Why have additional equipment, which also takes away a PL-10, when the chin mounted EOTS could potentially provide the exact same function?

minusone said:

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Seems like new fighter bomber based on J20?

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I don't think so. For one the aircraft appears to have only one engine.

siegecrossbow said:

I don't think so. For one the aircraft appears to have only one engine.

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the single engine is more likely loyal wingman. there's another twin engines fighter bomber -esque PPT up there