J-20 5th Generation Fighter VII

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taxiya said:
Here is what I have observed the "quality" of Chinese official channel or PR agencies of recent years.
  1. They have gained a lot of "freedom" in presenting things with low accuracy.
  2. They are "allowed" to make mistakes or twists out of what ever reason, personal taste or desire of the person who makes the video or other materials.
  3. Their overall quality can be very low.
Examples are:
  1. CCTV news channel field reporters (not the 19:00 anchors) have repeatedly NOT able to speak standard Mandarin. Make sentences out of grammar. Pronounce the word wrongly.
  2. A friend of mine works in a CCTV company that does video editing, they use materials that not necessarily represent the real thing, but just represent the idea, for example a footage of last summer is ok to be used in a report for this summer. By their standard, it would be OK to use footage of F-22 in place of J-20 if not because of the canards.
  3. The other example is the 81.cn site's video that we all know.
My attitude to this video is that, it is just a promo, even if a two-seater program exist without my knowledge, I won't be excited by this video probably because I don't really care a two-seater, don't see a purpose for it.
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We've been hearing for the last year or more from rumours that a twin seat was in development, e.g. Yankee.
With some speculation that things such as that award for a twin seater was in relation to a twin seat J-20 as well.

So I wouldn't exactly say a twin seat J-20 has been unexpected, but it's index of confidence until now certainly hasn't been as high as J-XY or H-20.


As for the role of a twin seat J-20 imo it could be very consequential. I wrote a piece a few months back about it specifically.

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I can only agree with this statement and that even more angers me, since with your very large letters and this text "Now all of you who are "Hollier than thou", "self appointed expert', "judge cum executioner" lay off" you seem to defend her while at the same time accuse us, who point towards her mistakes, false-reporting and often unsubstantiated and illogical claims as being arrogant! :oops:




As such I would summarise this once again and correct it to this single phrase: Why you can trust Minnie Chan!
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Because she said what is basically open secret and obvious. We know they start producing J20 with WS 10c last year.We saw in this forum And now the the verdict is IN IT IS AS GOOD AS AF 31 So what is illogical about that. We know that because we saw picture of J20 with Ws 10C engine in Changzhou base with PLAAf marking and serial number. But many people like to beat their own chest in here and behave like they know it all and "I know better than Minnie Chan". When in reality they are no difference than Minnie Chan reading from rumor and interpreting it Though I have to say some people make is their professional life and some DONT So get off the high horse and be tolerant we are no better than Minnie Chan
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Hendrik_2000 said:
Because she said what is basically open secret and obvious. We know they start producing J20 with WS 10c last year.We saw in this forum And now the the verdict is IN IT IS AS GOOD AS AF 31 So what is illogical about that. We know that because we saw picture of J20 with Ws 10C engine in Changzhou base with PLAAf marking and serial number. But many people like to beat their own chest in here and behave like they know it all and "I know better than Minnie Chan". When in reality they are no difference than Minnie Chan reading from rumor and interpreting it Though I have to say some people make is their professional life and some DONT So get off the high horse and be tolerant we are no better than Minnie Chan
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She gets no credit for saying things that has been brain dead obvious to everyone for ages.

If she said the earth orbited the sun, the response should be "okay, and?" -- and not "wow amazing, because you said something so obvious that everyone else already achieved consensus on and agrees on, we will believe in everything else you say as well".

Putting it another way, the issue isn't what she gets right and how often she gets things right -- but rather how often she gets things wrong and the sheer magnitude of what she gets wrong.



So yes, if you're asking whether we think that we think we here on SDF are better than Minnie Chan, yes i think we are not only better but we are better than her as far as PLA watching is concerned.
 
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Having watched the music video, the twin seater was in there for less than a second. I don’t think they anticipated that anyone would catch it.
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I knew a lot of Disney animators before the Pixar takeover. I can tell you all the frames where they signed their names and other inside jokes from "Fantasia 2000" and onward. Professional pride.

Given the source and people appeared in the video, I do think it was meant as a hidden gem to be discovered. I do think it strongly hints at a two-seater is approved work-in-progress and it will be tandem seated, not side-by-side. I doubt that clip could have passed AVIC's internal censor if the image is more realistic. With an extra person and plenty of internal space, many possibilities.
 
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Some high quality screen captures from AVIC's promo film marking the 10th anniversary of the J-20 program (from the appearance of its first technology demonstrator to now).

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Some high quality screen captures from AVIC's promo film marking the 10th anniversary of the J-20 program (from the appearance of its first technology demonstrator to now).

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I'm fairly certain these photos and the video clip they're from have been seen before but in less high quality format and without a clear video source.

I wonder if this is reused footage or that they simply filmed footage a while back specifically for this role.
 
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I'm fairly certain these photos and the video clip they're from have been seen before but in less high quality format and without a clear video source.

I wonder if this is reused footage or that they simply filmed footage a while back specifically for this role.
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Not sure if the images of the darkened hangar are all from reused footage. Other footage in the video – which I did not share here – are definitely reused.
 
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