J-20 5th Generation Fighter VII

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stannislas

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Josh Luo said:
Sorry, could you clarify given the F-22's stealth, how could the J-20 and PL-15 track the F-22 at beyond visual range?
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let me guess,
much bigger radome dimension+more complete electro-optical warfare system+much power electronic warfare firmware?
could be an edge for post-2010s aircraft in comparison to a mid-90s/early-00s fighter

honestly, I don't think when the US defense department claims that F-35 is their most powerful fighter is a complete lie, F-35 should have similar edges over F-22 as well. After all, the electronics industry had experienced an exploding development for the past 10-15 years and plays a much significant role in aerial warfare to this day.
 
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I think the WS-10 on J-20s all come with serrated nozzles, don't they? This development is therefore also beneficial to the stealth of the J-20. and not just performance wise.
 
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latenlazy said:
The J-20’s transonic and supersonic maneuverability is probably better than the F-35’s.
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Problem is that you don't want to go supersonic in a stealth fight with IR as it'll massively increase your detection range.

F-35, besides, is barely a supersonic fighter. The aircraft is limited to around Mach 1.6 (a strike fighter can't intercept) and B and C variants are around Mach 1.3-1.4 due to design limitations.
 
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Problem is that you don't want to go supersonic in a stealth fight with IR as it'll massively increase your detection range.

F-35, besides, is barely a supersonic fighter. The aircraft is limited to around Mach 1.6 (a strike fighter can't intercept) and B and C variants are around Mach 1.3-1.4 due to design limitations.
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?? In a dogfight you’ve already merged, and in those conditions whether you get locked on by an SRAAM has far more to do with line of sight than how bright you show up on IR. Besides, if you have better kinematics you’re that much likelier to break a lock or evade the missile. If relying on supersonic maneuverability in a dogfight were such a big giveaway to IR seekers the F-22 wouldn’t be using supersonic maneuverability as part of its dogfighting repertoire.
 
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latenlazy said:
?? In a dogfight you’ve already merged, and in those conditions whether you get locked on by an SRAAM has far more to do with line of sight than how bright you show up on IR. Besides, if you have better kinematics you’re that much likelier to break a lock or evade the missile. If relying on supersonic maneuverability in a dogfight were such a big giveaway to IR seekers the F-22 wouldn’t be using supersonic maneuverability as part of its dogfighting repertoire.
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Problem is, missile agility required for intercept is a function of the relative speed between the missile and the target; for instance, a 9G fighter at 1/5th the speed of the missile requires 45G to intercept. A supersonic aircraft is going to be less agile (G-limit) as well as loosening the missile G-requirement for intercept.

Moreover, supersonic dogfights are rarely a thing.
 
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stannislas said:
No zigzag on the exhaust nozzle?

also this picture is originally posted by the same person who posted the recent fake “ws-20 y-20” picture, so I guess this picture might be dated
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I don't think LKJ86 purposedly misled But he is not infallible just like us he can be deceived by sophisticated photoshop. But we have seen the video of J20 taxiing from the airport sporting PLAAF paint So we know that J20 with WS10 is now in service !
I don't see zigzag in this photo below
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