J-20 5th Gen Fighter Thread VIII

[Deino]

Do we know the serial number of the second J-20 at Changchun?

 

[SinoAmericanCW]

It's indeed ironic, that nowadays images showing the IMO still top-tier PLAAF fighter it's almost boring!

Every manned fighter that isn't a J-15DT/16D, J-20A/S, J-35/A or J-36/XDS registers as a J-7G to me now.

 

[by78]

A high-resolution Changchun Air Show preview.

 

[Gloire_bb]

Every manned fighter that isn't a J-15DT/16D, J-20A/S, J-35/A or J-36/XDS registers as a J-7G to me now.

Jokes aside, this is something we should fight with.

"Bulk" PLAAF capability are J-20(linchpin), followed J-16, J-10C, H-6K/N. Rear, but still very highly important - J-11B(s).
It will take at least a couple of years to change that. This is assuming J-20a/s will have no significant ramp up time (which appears to be the goal), and J-35A will have it fast (as it is reason d'etre for this aircraft).

As with US/West/NATO - when we think of them, nowadays we first think of F-35. But rank and file western aircraft are variants of MLU F-16&F-15E.

And it isn't necessarily a bad thing. Air force too modern is often a rather inflexible small air force, often plagued with immaturity.

 

[tamsen_ikard]

Jokes aside, this is something we should fight with.

"Bulk" PLAAF capability are J-20(linchpin), followed J-16, J-10C, H-6K/N. Rear, but still very highly important - J-11B(s).
It will take at least a couple of years to change that. This is assuming J-20a/s will have no significant ramp up time (which appears to be the goal), and J-35A will have it fast (as it is reason d'etre for this aircraft).

As with US/West/NATO - when we think of them, nowadays we first think of F-35. But rank and file western aircraft are variants of MLU F-16&F-15E.

And it isn't necessarily a bad thing. Air force too modern is often a rather inflexible small air force, often plagued with immaturity.

China has 2500 total fighters. Out of that only 350 of them are J-11Bs. So, even in terms of numbers they are not that important.

Whether its air-superiority or ground missions, 400+ J-16 is obviously superior. 250 J-10C is probably close behind in terms superior tech as well.

I don't know how capable of an upgrade J-11BG is. If its just the radar upgrade then probably not much. But if its a comprehensive upgrade to make J-11Bs comparable to J-16 in terms of Radar, Data link, Sensor fusion and weapons capability, then it might still have some AA combat relevance.

 

[ENTED64]

It's more like 2000ish fighters (maybe a bit less even see

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post) which is roughly evenly split between modern 4.5 and 5 gen fighters (J-20, J-35A, J-10C, J-16) and older legacy fighters such as J-10A/B, J-11, Russian imports, and such. So while the J-11 platform in specific might not be too important, the older legacy fighters are still very important right now as they're about half the fleet. If production rates remain stable with what we believe the production rate is now, that will change by 2030 where the older platforms are much less relevant but for now those platforms are still very important to PLAAF.

I don't know how capable of an upgrade J-11BG is. If its just the radar upgrade then probably not much. But if its a comprehensive upgrade to make J-11Bs comparable to J-16 in terms of Radar, Data link, Sensor fusion and weapons capability, then it might still have some AA combat relevance.

They upgraded radar and such but I believe one of the major reasons they want to retire J-10A/B is that even with overhaul it's hard to match performance of plane designed from the beginning for data link and such planes are going to be increasingly less viable as data link becomes ever more important. This would also be true for J-11.