J-20 5th Gen Fighter Thread VIII

Deino

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For reference 33 CB numbers known:

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So if we assume last of 07 batch was CB07160 then there's 140 aircraft across the next 3 batches at least. Or if last 07 batch is 180 then that makes 40 a batch from 07 onwards.


Exactly my consideration ... so there are three possible options, that could explain this: ... IMO most likely Batch CB07 has also 40.

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tphuang

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The construction number CB10300 somewhat overturns the previous theory regarding the production blocks, because the last confirmed cn. was 07156 (11/2023), so all blocks CB00 to CB07 had 20 machines each and I think this can be rated quite confirmed ... but if CB10300 is the 300th J-20, then the blocks CB08, CB09, and CB10 must be larger than even 40 aircraft, I would guess almost 50-60!
I don't think we should be making theories about block sizes =)

my guess is that they were probably at 220-40 at start of 2024 and then eclipsed 300 sometimes in second half of last year and probably at low 300s at start of this year (based on yankee's statement that apparently people died in CAC from work exhaustion, ~100 last year seemed not unreasonable). And probably hit 400 sometime this year.
 

plawolf

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I don't think we should be making theories about block sizes =)

my guess is that they were probably at 220-40 at start of 2024 and then eclipsed 300 sometimes in second half of last year and probably at low 300s at start of this year (based on yankee's statement that apparently people died in CAC from work exhaustion, ~100 last year seemed not unreasonable). And probably hit 400 sometime this year.

I would say it’s very tenuous to link death in service directly to workload.

I have been on sites where workers have died while on duty and they were far from overworked or over stressed.

Usually it’s just underlying heath issues kicking in and have almost no direct causal link with work or the activity they were performing when tragedy struck.

I’m not saying death from overwork isn’t real, but that generally takes many years of accumulated overwork to do someone in.

If workers at CAC are regularly clocking excessive hours in order to meet production quotas, that is obviously not sustainable, and likely did contribute to abnormally high death in service numbers. But odds are the majority of the deaths would have occurred anyways in that timeframe even without any overtime.

Correlation does not equate to causation. If there are abnormally high death in service rates amongst CAC workers, it’s important to properly investigate the true cause rather than jump to conclusions. As I personally would not put it above certain adversary powers to covertly target the civilian workforce as a means of causing disruption to Chinese core national defence production for example.
 

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so it's very possible that production is lower this year if production ramp up for J-20A/S need some time.

On the other hand, it is also possible that as their factory space continue to increase and as they get more workers and equipment in, the production could be higher.
 
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