J-20 5th Gen Fighter Thread VIII

Alfa_Particle

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Who is and how credible is the poster?
I I remember that post, I was one of the commenters. He said "you're getting [J-20A] at the very least," not "you're only gonna get the [J-20A]." I wouldn't be going all "this is so over" just yet.

052D is considered quite credible within the insiders circle (if not one of the top ones tbh, it's from him that I heard there'll be new missiles alongside the PL-16A).
 

sequ

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I I remember that post, I was one of the commenters. He said "you're getting [J-20A] at the very least," not "you're only gonna get the [J-20A]." I wouldn't be going all "this is so over" just yet.

052D is considered quite credible within the insiders circle (if not one of the top ones tbh, it's from him that I heard there'll be new missiles alongside the PL-16A).
Can you give a bit more background info as to what 052D meant?
 

Alfa_Particle

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Can you give a bit more background info as to what 052D meant?
Well, he posted a cryptic post on 29/4 saying "how come the dragon's neck is a bit thick?" and one of the commenters said "please let me see WS-15 J20As in service colours" and 052D replied"you're getting at least half."

He didn't say "you're getting half", or the "WS-15 J-20A ain't happening this year", just that "at least half is happening", which IMO is a completely reasonable non-answer.

People need to stop dooming.

Edit: it's under this exact thread that I got the info for an upcoming long-range AAM that's exclusive to stealth fighters that's NOT the PL-16A.
 

ACuriousPLAFan

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Well, he posted a cryptic post on 29/4 saying "how come the dragon's neck is a bit thick?" and one of the commenters said "please let me see WS-15 J20As in service colours" and 052D replied"you're getting at least half."

He didn't say "you're getting half", or the "WS-15 J-20A ain't happening this year", just that "at least half is happening", which IMO is a completely reasonable non-answer.

People need to stop dooming.

Edit: it's under this exact thread that I got the info for an upcoming long-range AAM that's exclusive to stealth fighters that's NOT the PL-16A.

This is what he actually said just 2 days ago.

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smtf6: Looks to be a new yellow-skin J-20A + WS-15 (points to a Weibo post with that dashcam footage)
052D Chengdu: Nope, it's a WS-10-powered J-20A, not in a rush

"Not in a rush" my ar$e.

Shame the AECC to hell. What an effing disappointment.
 
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Tomboy

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Well, he posted a cryptic post on 29/4 saying "how come the dragon's neck is a bit thick?" and one of the commenters said "please let me see WS-15 J20As in service colours" and 052D replied"you're getting at least half."

He didn't say "you're getting half", or the "WS-15 J-20A ain't happening this year", just that "at least half is happening", which IMO is a completely reasonable non-answer.

People need to stop dooming.

Edit: it's under this exact thread that I got the info for an upcoming long-range AAM that's exclusive to stealth fighters that's NOT the PL-16A.
Tbh, even if WS-15 do happen this year. WS-15 isn't advanced anymore, it might be considered advanced(Not even bleeding edge) when it was drawn up in the 90s but right now it's basically at the average western level of 4th generation engines. F-119 still has a higher TIT and F-135 is a distant dream. XA102/103 is supposedly going to push it even further and right now I'm doubting China's ability to keep up. Hopefully the current version of WS-15 is not based on the original spec of 1850K TIT or it truly is 遥遥落后 especially if they are still having trouble getting it into service. This of course also implicates the civilian sector, as higher TIT often means higher efficiency and from what I could find LEAP-1's TIT is around 2100K so for CJ-1000A to be atleast competitive against the LEAP-1 it'll probably need a spec similar to LEAP-1's and if they still can't even get an less advanced engine into service well you could probably think of the rest...
 

Alfa_Particle

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This is what he actually said just 2 days ago.

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"Not in a rush" my ar$e. Shame the AECC to hell. What an effing disappointment.
Ah, we're cooked after all

Man I'm getting tired of the WS-10 family c*ckblocking every good thing. Not good enough to be on J-15Ts, but good enough to be on J-20A to flip us a big middle finger. What's this BS man...
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Tbh, even if WS-15 do happen this year. WS-15 isn't advanced anymore, it might be considered advanced(Not even bleeding edge) when it was drawn up in the 90s but right now it's basically at the average western level of 4th generation engines. F-119 still has a higher TIT and F-135 is a distant dream. XA102/103 is supposedly going to push it even further and right now I'm doubting China's ability to keep up. Hopefully the current version of WS-15 is not based on the original spec of 1850K TIT or it truly is 遥遥落后 especially if they are still having trouble getting it into service. This of course also implicates the civilian sector, as higher TIT often means higher efficiency and from what I could find LEAP-1's TIT is around 2100K so for CJ-1000A to be atleast competitive against the LEAP-1 it'll probably need a spec similar to LEAP-1's.
Ignore that spec sheet. The design was overhauled and the WS-15 was basically redeveloped from scratch since 2018.
 
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