J-20 5th Gen Fighter Thread VI

[Air Force Brat]

We at least have confirmation that b787 is mig-29. Not that we needed it, I suppose.

Correct!

 

[latenlazy]

If you look at the contextual use of 不错, it's in opposition to the supersonic agility. Moreover, supersonic maneuverability might refer to acceleration, STR, ITR; all these things are ambiguous.

Uh, you’re really grasping there. I don’t know what your proficiency with mandarin is but 不错 is not an ambiguous phrase. There wasn’t anything “oppositional” about how the term was used. “亚音速也不错, 一进了超音速就是他的天下”, doesn’t say “the plane is very good in the subsonic regime *but* it is unparalleled in the supersonic regime”. It says, “the plane is *also* very good in the subsonic regime, it is unparalleled in the supersonic regime”. Nothing in there is supposed to somehow diminish the significance of “very good”.

 

[ougoah]

In any case, I don't think the statements should be trusted 100%. Of course the pilots will commend the J-20 if they are to say anything. Supersonic performance really remains a mystery at this point. Certainly we can be sure it's not spectacular otherwise there'd be no point for WS-15.

 

[latenlazy]

In any case, I don't think the statements should be trusted 100%. Of course the pilots will commend the J-20 if they are to say anything. Supersonic performance really remains a mystery at this point. Certainly we can be sure it's not spectacular otherwise there'd be no point for WS-15.

Supersonic performance doesn’t have to be F-22 level for the plane to be better than anything else China has. Besides, regardless of what engine the J-20 has it doesn’t change how the airframe is optimized, and that’s ultimately what we’re assessing.

 

[Engineer]

@Engineer: you have no capacity for reading comprehension at all, do you? What you are engaging in is called the straw man fallacy. Look it up. But in truth, there's no reason for me to be surprised.

All I did was changing the context in your argument from "J-20" to "bridge" and the absurdity of your reasoning became apparent. It is YOUR own argument, so it isn't a strawman. Blame yourself for coming up with stupidity in the first place.

You don't even have any proof that J-20 doesn't meet design requirements. For all we know, J-20 could have exceeded design requirements. Since you have no proof of any kind, it means you are bullshitting.

 

[Engineer]

Uh, you’re really grasping there. I don’t know what your proficiency with mandarin is but 不错 is not an ambiguous phrase. There wasn’t anything “oppositional” about how the term was used. “亚音速也不错, 一进了超音速就是他的天下”, doesn’t say “the plane is very good in the subsonic regime *but* it is unparalleled in the supersonic regime”. It says, “the plane is *also* very good in the subsonic regime, it is unparalleled in the supersonic regime”. Nothing in there is supposed to somehow diminish the significance of “very good”.

The guy doesn't even know Chinese, yet he is lecturing Chinese speakers with his made up definition.

Here is Google translation to eliminate any sort of bias:

 

[Air Force Brat]

Aerodynamic debates are among the more nonsensical ones that can be had on these forums.

the past few pages of "discussion" has NOTHING to do with aerodynamics

any "serious" discussion of any aircraft Blitzo, will of necessity include the aerodynamic features and properties of that aircraft, as well as similar features of the same class aircraft..

the J-20 has rather unique aerodynamics for a large L/O Fighter aircraft, those of necessity will be discussed and debated,,, but I have avoided this discussion because it does involve, "The Usual Suspects"

 

[kwaigonegin]

LOL! What's the matter? Don't you love seeking attention? That's why you have multiple accounts on multiple aviation forums posting the same type of bullshit since mid 2000.

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Why limit yourself to riling up few individuals on English-speaking forums when you could receive the "love" of few million people from Chinese BBS? You should feel excited.

That's a name I have not seen in a very long time. Where is crabato? He is one of those folks who actually knows what he is talking about.

 

[Jura The idiot]

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[taxiya]

If you look at the contextual use of 不错, it's in opposition to the supersonic agility. Moreover, supersonic maneuverability might refer to acceleration, STR, ITR; all these things are ambiguous.

Seriously?
Are you native Mandarin speaker? The pilot is a native mandarin speaker as I am and some people here. In no way can you interpret that word in the way you did if you were born and raised to your adulthood in mandarin area in China, regardless any context. It is a positive complementing word, the only thing uncertain (as it is not numerical technical term) is how much (scale of 6 to 8 in 10).