J-20 5th Gen Fighter Thread VI
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b787
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the J-20 is near 22 meters why you boast haha in fact with the probe it had in early prototypes if is close to 23 meters
however you say i always knew haha like the sale of Su-35 hahaha or T-50-05
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Come on ! ... or did my hint against Asoka hit You so much that I need to assume You are him?
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b787
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man you can be my friend and i like you, but some times you listen too much to the crowd, many our fine members are bias, too much to see reality, the su-35 is 21.9 meters it has no probe, it will leave the J-20 at around 21 meters
early pictures showed to be large, plus the Al-31 is a large engine larger than 119 used on F-22 and the canopy of J-20 was almost the same length of F-22`s
Point is, 21 m is not the issue - I for myself came to about 20,30 - 20,50 based on very grainy images - so it's not out. But certain members at the PDF and Key are so much eager to prove that the J-20 is 22-23m long; that's my point.
Even if such calculations all have a certain margin or error included, an object smaller than another one of a known length simply cannot be longer.
That's my point.
20.5~20.6 meters actually. The J-20 is about 192-193 pixels long, and the Flanker is about 204-205. When we measured the 20.3~20.5 meter estimate it was with prototypes that had shorter stingers (if I recall stingers were lengthened starting with the 2015 air frame). If by "the club" you meant SDF, then Western estimates were not better (there are still serious sources citing the 22-23 meter figure). The measurements we converged on in this forum were right on the money.
And don't lie. I still remember how insistent you were that the J-20 was an F-111 sized behemoth despite all evidence to the contrary mig.
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Don't bother with this guy. He's an absolute fool and persists with this sort of nonsense. Everything he said is actually either untrue or unproven but he makes it sound like it's already physical law that's engraved in stone. Just say Su-57 > J-20 and he'll go away. For those who want to know or come from a technical background, J-20's very forwardly placed and large canards are to create a greater moment along certain points of rotation behind. It's not much longer than Su-27, and it's definitely a hell of a lot more LO than Su-57. It is designed primarily as a fighter that allows for strike and interception like any multirole air superiority. However, it is clearly not an interceptor. If it were, it would be designed to carry long range missiles internally which it can't.... yet. 15 tonne weight is unspecified and I don't believe for a second it is the total take off weight. It could have been referring to unfueled, unloaded weight or even frame weight... we don't have an idea or do we? Not sure can't understand Mandarin well enough.
Basically article is as trustworthy as official Chinese government, which is not at all reliable. Don't read too much into it. As for B787's comments. This is coming from a guy who believes F-35 was hit by S-200 without even properly investigating those claims. Believes stealth is easily defeatable by Russia with close to zero real evidence but believes Russian articles written by dodgy stupid journalists with a political agenda. Believes Su-57 to be VLO despite completely exposed engines (intake to nozzle is a straight path) and all round rubbish attention to detail and rough surfaces.
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The source that mentioned 15 tonnes specifically said empty weight.
That would be revolutionary manufacturing techniques being employed then. I'm not saying it's impossible but based on comparisons to other known empty weights of similar fighters, it does seem at least unlikely. If China's aviation industry has managed this, we'd have seen consequences in many other industries. Although this could be because of uniqueness to aircraft components or in very small and expensive production runs.
How long away is WS-15 likely to be? Have there been near official claims? Why does B787 think it's 10 years away? I know this guy's probably thought China would never be able to do every single thing it has managed all the way up to the point he's shown evidence of it but still. What's the actual word on WS-15 likely dates? LOL B787 reminids me of the guys that keep saying China's space missions are all fake. Keep dreaming guys. Have fun celebrating the rare Chinese failure while overlooking all our achievements. We won't forget it
How long away is WS-15 likely to be? Have there been near official claims? Why does B787 think it's 10 years away? I know this guy's probably thought China would never be able to do every single thing it has managed all the way up to the point he's shown evidence of it but still. What's the actual word on WS-15 likely dates? LOL B787 reminids me of the guys that keep saying China's space missions are all fake. Keep dreaming guys. Have fun celebrating the rare Chinese failure while overlooking all our achievements. We won't forget it
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