J-20 5th Gen Fighter Thread VI

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Tirdent

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Rumor has it that the F-22's wing-truss is strong enough to withstand 30 rounds from a GSh-301. I think Chengdu is probably trying to get something more powerful (go big or go home).

That sounds improbable... the Russian 30x165 round is IIRC the second-most powerful aircraft ammunition in service today, behind the 30x173 cartridge of the GAU-8! So per shot, it already packs an formidable punch, although RoF is of course nowhere near a Gatling (nevertheless, par for a single barrel weapon). As the installation is famously the size of a small car, needless to say I don't think a GAU-8 equivalent is in the cards for the J-20!

While the Saab Viggen's Oerlikon KCA provides an example of a single barrel cannon using the 30x173 round, its rate of fire is even lower than the GSh-301's (making fire power comparable). More importantly, it's still 3 times the weight - the GSh-301 excels in both respects, fire power AND weight. About the only drawback is short barrel life, but in an era where the gun is used so rarely that there is a real debate about whether you can get rid of it altogether that seems like an attractive trade-off.
 

Air Force Brat

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Could the internal weapons bays re-engineered to carry six PL-15 instead of four?

Probably not, those bulkheads and supporting structure are all load bearing members of the airframe, to redesign those bays, you would have to redesign that whole section of fuselage.... I think they are probabably very happy and well armed at present, though the F-22 will carry 8, it was basically design around its weapons bay, as was the J-20....

So rumor has it the F-35 will eventually be able to carry 6?? I really don't know, but what I do know is that primary aircraft structural changes are a big hairy deal, but, if they can fold the fins, they might be able to squeeze six in there,, so anyway, I think six is perfectly adequate,,, look at all the cowboys who carried 5, yep they carried a rolled up 20 in one cylinder, because early six guns would go of if dropped on their hammer...
 

Hendrik_2000

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Still doesn’t change the falliciously selective logic.

Like this so called expert who said China TVC is 20 years behind What? It is 3 D thrust vector nozzle which is more complicated compared to 2 D nozzle in F22 Are they crazy or what?.
However, Layton said China remains 10 to 20 years behind the leaders in thrust vectoring.
"It would have been more impressive to have (thrust vectoring) shown already flying in the J-20 stealth fighter. But it wasn't, lowering its impact on foreign observers," he said.


China's stealth fighters show off missile payload
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Updated 11:01 PM ET, Sun November 11, 2018

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Fighter aircraft J-20 of People's Liberation Army Air Force (PLAAF) perform in the sky showing their missile payloads for the first time on day six of the Airshow China 2018.
Hong Kong (CNN)The Chinese air force saved the big guns for last at its biennial Zhuhai air show, flying its new stealth fighters with full missile loads Sunday for the first time in a public display.

The twin-engine J-20, seen as China's answer to US F-22s and F-35s,
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in February.
A report last year from the China Power Project at the Center for Strategic and International Studies suggested the J-20 could pose a strategic challenge to key components of the US air fleet, such as aerial refueling tankers, as well as early warning and command and control aircraft, if armed with long-range air-to-air missiles.
Sunday, the J-20s showed off that capability in what state-run Xinhua news service described as a surprise "stunning aerial display" on the final day of the six-day Airshow China, where the PLA displays and markets its military hardware.
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A J-20 fighter of the Chinese air force shows its load of long-range missiles at Airshow China in Zhuhai on Sunday.
In a Xinhua video, two J-20s screamed over the huge crowds at Airshow China with bomb bay doors open, showing four long-range missiles mounted inside. Two missiles were also mounted under the jets' wings.
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earlier this year, Chinese military expert Song Zongping said the J-20 will "engage with rivals in the future who dare to provoke China in the air."
The post claimed that the arrival of the J-20 would change the balance of air power in the Asia-Pacific region. "In the past, only the US and its allies like Japan were capable of arming stealth fighter jets. But now, their monopoly in this region has been broken by China's J-20."
The J-20 missile display was easily the highlight of the Zhuhai show, which the PLA often uses to unveil new military systems.
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Analysts said the flights of China's J-20 stealth fighters at the Zhuhai air show would have been more impressive if the planes had been using Chinese rather than Russian-built engines.
Other flights last week of the J-20, which was introduced to the public at the last Zhuhai show in 2016, generated little excitement.
Analysts noted that the fourth-generation fighters appeared to be powered by Russian rather than Chinese-built engines.
"The no-show of Chinese built-engines on the J-20 indicates that China is still having trouble mastering leading-edge jet engine technology," said Peter Layton, a former Australian military officer and now fellow at the Griffith Asia Institute.
Following the completion of the Zhuhai air show,
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in a post on the PLA's English-language website published Monday, citing a performance earlier in the Zhuhai show of its J-10B jet, a non-stealth fighter, using "thrust vector" technology.
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A J-10B fighter jet of PLA's Air Force shows off "thrust vectoring" technology at Airshow China in Zhuhai last week.
Thrust vector technology uses a nozzle on a jet's exhaust to change its direction. It allows a the plane to change direction quicker than using control surfaces on its wings and tail.
"China has mastered a field of cutting-edge aviation technology that is currently dominated by the United States and Russia, which is expected to give the nation's fighter jets better combat capability," said the post.
However, Layton said China remains 10 to 20 years behind the leaders in thrust vectoring.
"It would have been more impressive to have (thrust vectoring) shown already flying in the J-20 stealth fighter. But it wasn't, lowering its impact on foreign observers," he said.
 

Gloire_bb

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Why need a plane to deliver those? Why not just have a big stealth missile/drone with those things inside?
You can't for now, targeting high value assets isn't just a technology, it is game of the brains.
Enemy ain't stupid, and they will act accordingly. Especially those who have these high value assets.

On the side note, this "interceptor/attacker" stuff wouldn't be bad, if it wouldn't involve "low maneuverability" stupidity, when it clearly is not the case.
Because what they mean by "interceptor" is more of a silver bullet, and it isn't wrong, for now, especially since it doesn't seem to directly displace j-11 family aircraft.
 
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